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March 24th, 2016 at 1:45:14 PM permalink
I haven't been following this thread.
what's going on w/ntek and ahigh?
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March 24th, 2016 at 2:20:02 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

what's going on w/ntek?



There Facebook page is reporting this is a "New Year...New Nanotech Gaming". They keep posting about other companies getting into the skill based gaming market and congratulating them as if NTEK is the gatekeeper or leader or something.

Supposedly, the have no staff left and are to be moved out of their office by the end of the month.

Just more fraud to keep people investing more likely. That haven't even announced the departure of their key employees.


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March 24th, 2016 at 2:37:44 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

There Facebook page is reporting this is a "New Year...New Nanotech Gaming". They keep posting about other companies getting into the skill based gaming market and congratulating them as if NTEK is the gatekeeper or leader or something.

Supposedly, the have no staff left and are to be moved out of their office by the end of the month.

Just more fraud to keep people investing more likely. That haven't even announced the departure of their key employees.


ZCore13


no staff?!
oh.. they ran out of $$$ and are bankrupt?
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March 24th, 2016 at 2:39:22 PM permalink
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they ran out of $$$ and are bankrupt?



Can't they just issue more stock to themselves and then sell it to keep payroll going?
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March 24th, 2016 at 3:19:07 PM permalink
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Can't they just issue more stock to themselves and then sell it to keep payroll going?



One of the problems is that it is a lot harder to sell stock while your CEO/Founder is in prison.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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March 24th, 2016 at 3:44:02 PM permalink
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One of the problems is that it is a lot harder to sell stock while your CEO/Founder is in prison.



I can't argue with that.
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March 24th, 2016 at 3:47:02 PM permalink
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Supposedly, the have no staff left and are to be moved out of their office by the end of the month.



The word on the stock message board is
Ahigh is being allowed to move out his
80's arcade machines and the place will
shut down March 31st and no longer have
a physical address. You can't get ahold
of anybody on the phone, it goes straight
to voicemail and they never returned
my call after I left a number.
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March 24th, 2016 at 3:58:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The word on the stock message board is
Ahigh is being allowed to move out his
80's arcade machines and the place will
shut down March 31st and no longer have
a physical address. You can't get ahold
of anybody on the phone, it goes straight
to voicemail and they never returned
my my call after I left a number.



so I should sell my 5000 shares to save the headaches of trying to figure out how much my write off will be?

I wrote it off loooooooooong ago in my mind and haven't looked at that acct in ages.
hm.. the stock went up a lot today (% wise)?!
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March 24th, 2016 at 4:46:31 PM permalink
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so I should sell my 5000 shares to save the headaches of trying to figure out how much my write off will be?



How much will you sell them to me for?
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March 24th, 2016 at 4:53:47 PM permalink
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How much will you sell them to me for?

Now we got us a brokerage house, cool beans.
What's next?
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March 24th, 2016 at 4:54:41 PM permalink
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How much will you sell them to me for?

I'll take some action.
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March 24th, 2016 at 4:56:42 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

How much will you sell them to me for?



Well 5,000 shares are worth about $115 minus sales fees. I think if you offered him $200 he might just take it. :)


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March 24th, 2016 at 5:05:47 PM permalink
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Well 5,000 shares are worth about $115 minus sales fees. I think if you offered him $200 he might just take it. :)


ZCore13


lol.. ntek
5k x .006 = $30 :)
so yeah i'll take $200 for it. :)

have no clue what ntgl is
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March 24th, 2016 at 5:30:16 PM permalink
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Now we got us a brokerage house, cool beans.
What's next?



An auction. I'll start the bidding for 5,000 shares at $5.
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March 24th, 2016 at 5:40:19 PM permalink
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An auction. I'll start the bidding for 5,000 shares at $5.



5.00000001 in BTC
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March 24th, 2016 at 5:42:38 PM permalink
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... $5.

Day trader's alert, a potential spike in volume on the way.

Actually, it seems there was a spike in share volume today, apparently about 5x the daily average. Maybe somebody needed to pay for the U-Haul trailer.
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March 24th, 2016 at 6:56:06 PM permalink
I amazed no one on this board understands the market..... You can issue all the shares you want, if no one buys them it's worthless besides that increasing the shares simply dilutes the value of the existing ones.

What is happening with this company is the same story over and over with penny stocks
We weren't even allowed to place an order for a stock under 2 dollars without paperwork and forms being signed when I was on Wall Street.
Money also had to be in account and no margin orders

The list of penny stocks that ever worked out is close to nill
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March 24th, 2016 at 7:17:24 PM permalink
While others continue to be amazed at the persistence & strength of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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March 24th, 2016 at 8:00:40 PM permalink
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I amazed no one on this board understands the market.....



Really? No one at all?

Setting aside that you don't know what everyone on this board does or does not know about the market, I would like to point out that you yourself are also on this board.
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March 24th, 2016 at 8:00:55 PM permalink
On the positive side for NTGL investors, the stock went up 16 ten thousanths of a penny, which is a 7.48% increase. I can see how being able to buy at something like .0175 and maybe being able to sell at .0250 could make someone a lot of money. Not sure if that can be done though.


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March 24th, 2016 at 8:17:38 PM permalink
There's money to be made here.

I bought my block of NTGL at .019 and sold it earlier this year, most at .06, the remainder at .04.

Thanks, Aaron!
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March 24th, 2016 at 10:23:25 PM permalink
It was tongue and cheek
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March 24th, 2016 at 11:18:41 PM permalink
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There's money to be made here.

I bought my block of NTGL at .019 and sold it earlier this year, most at .06, the remainder at .04.

Thanks, Aaron!



Now you can get a large fries with your
Whopper. Congrats..
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March 24th, 2016 at 11:47:52 PM permalink
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Now you can get a large fries with your
Whopper. Congrats..



While my actual profit measured in dollars and cents was small, my satisfaction was not.

Gambling on a gambling stock touted on a gambling board.

What started as a lark quickly turned, percentage-wise, into an astoundingly successful investment.

Luck happens.
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March 25th, 2016 at 6:41:19 AM permalink
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While my actual profit measured in dollars and cents was small, my satisfaction was not.

Gambling on a gambling stock touted on a gambling board.

What started as a lark quickly turned, percentage-wise, into an astoundingly successful investment.

Luck happens.

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March 25th, 2016 at 8:46:57 AM permalink
Aaron speaks.

Weird scenes inside the gold mine
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March 25th, 2016 at 1:33:35 PM permalink
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Aaron speaks.

Weird scenes inside the gold mine

What press release is he talking about?
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March 25th, 2016 at 1:44:20 PM permalink
That was back in February They've all since been let go.


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March 25th, 2016 at 2:03:16 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Aaron speaks.

Weird scenes inside the gold mine



Where is this from? What's the link.
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March 25th, 2016 at 2:26:20 PM permalink
It was a link in a post on ihub today or yesterday.
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March 25th, 2016 at 4:12:46 PM permalink
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March 25th, 2016 at 4:42:34 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MrV

Aaron speaks.

Weird scenes inside the gold mine

What press release is he talking about?




http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/31279951/nanotech-gaming-inc-otcmkts-ntgl-expands-executive-management-team-analyst-report
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March 25th, 2016 at 5:26:23 PM permalink
Do they have a company or what? I don't get answers from emails. Or phone calls. I've invested too much money by now to just give up. But I don't know what to do.
I gamble on many things, including OTC stocks and commodities, but never really looked into the business dealings like now with this Nanotech Gaming.
I've been reading the links to other internet sites and admit that I'm a much better gambler with cards and casinos than stocks. Only a few I've invested with. Nanotech Gaming is a main one.

Nanotech Gaming seemed to be on the cusp of some real advancements and I've got experience in Casino game and gambling methodologies and marketing. So I was more than just interested, I wanted in on the ground floor. And that's what everyone was saying too.

But this company doesn't seem to be right. I've done some much closer research about NG as a enterprise and I'm thoroughly disappointed. If we can believe Aaron Hightower, he got screwed big time. Did anyone here know that the person who originated the Nanotech parent company and has stock in Nanotech Gaming is in prison for fraud? I didn't know this until recently and this just freaks me out.

What is going on with Nanotech Gaming. As a stock, how do I find these things out? I don't feel I can trust Nanotech Gaming themselves for answers.

Does anyone else feel this way. I take my losses with my gains so I'm not against this company, for now.
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March 25th, 2016 at 5:40:08 PM permalink
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Do they have a company or what? I don't get answers from emails. Or phone calls. I've invested too much money by now to just give up. But I don't know what to do.
I gamble on many things, including OTC stocks and commodities, but never really looked into the business dealings like now with this Nanotech Gaming.
I've been reading the links to other internet sites and admit that I'm a much better gambler with cards and casinos than stocks. Only a few I've invested with. Nanotech Gaming is a main one.

Nanotech Gaming seemed to be on the cusp of some real advancements and I've got experience in Casino game and gambling methodologies and marketing. So I was more than just interested, I wanted in on the ground floor. And that's what everyone was saying too.

But this company doesn't seem to be right. I've done some much closer research about NG as a enterprise and I'm thoroughly disappointed. If we can believe Aaron Hightower, he got screwed big time. Did anyone here know that the person who originated the Nanotech parent company and has stock in Nanotech Gaming is in prison for fraud? I didn't know this until recently and this just freaks me out.

What is going on with Nanotech Gaming. As a stock, how do I find these things out? I don't feel I can trust Nanotech Gaming themselves for answers.

Does anyone else feel this way. I take my losses with my gains so I'm not against this company, for now.
Thanks and have a great Easter everyone. I enjoy reading all the boards on this great forum.



I think you're out of luck, but find it interesting that of all the places you could have foud to comment and ask for an opinion on the stock as a new forum member, you found a gambling website rather than a NTGL specific stock board or general investment board.

Sometimes the inner workings of people and how they think, act and react to situations fascinates me It helps me in my job as well though, so it's not just a wasted hobby.

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March 25th, 2016 at 7:34:16 PM permalink
Well, that was an interesting reply. I said I'm a gambler first, stock owner after. I've read this site for a long time but never had anything to say about gambling itself or stock. The board does say ntek/ntgl does it not? The thread I've joined at this time has been all about officers of a company and very little for some time about what Hightower is actually doing with his job functions.

Nanotech is the first I've connected to my casino/gambling interests stock wise. There a plenty of boards about lots of games here and this one has been going on about Hightower and corporate dealings. Why would I direct my questions on any other board when the thread itself has been all about the company officers and very little about the company products. It was that way awhile ago. I've also noted some heavy stock promotional type postings as well. Do you delete those?

Perhaps people have gotten off topic about what Nanotech is trying to do. Maybe start another board "Nanotech Gaming products' only?

Didn't think that would be off topic, sorry.
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March 25th, 2016 at 8:26:06 PM permalink
Ever see this?

Quote:

November 5th, 2015 at 5:31:29 PM
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This thread is designed for discussions about Nanotek, Nanotek gaming, its stock, its products, and its personnel.

As a stock holder in both companies, my interest is more than casual.

OK, no fear of a rule 7 suspension guys, so have at it.

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March 25th, 2016 at 8:35:53 PM permalink
Welcome sammydv. I don't know how you found us, but your participation is welcome. I personally have learned a lot from this thread and welcome the discussion on NTEK to continue.
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March 25th, 2016 at 9:05:36 PM permalink
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Ever see this?



Yes, I know what the topic is. I have nothing against you. I just said I fin some human behaviour fascinating.

As I said, I think your money is gone and never to be seen again. NTGL has no employees left. If you'very read this thread, you'very also seen they don't answer their phones or email anymore and are supposedly out of their office by 3/31/16. Not the best of sugns.

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March 26th, 2016 at 7:16:10 AM permalink
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Yes, I know what the topic is. I have nothing against you. I just said I fin some human behaviour fascinating.

As I said, I think your money is gone and never to be seen again. NTGL has no employees left. If you'very read this thread, you'very also seen they don't answer their phones or email anymore and are supposedly out of their office by 3/31/16. Not the best of sugns.

ZCore13


what about ntek, whose stock price is at .006?
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March 26th, 2016 at 7:40:06 AM permalink
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what about ntek, whose stock price is at .006?



NTEK still has a little life in it. I'd say it's on life support though.

Their whole focus has been the distribution of streaming 4k programming. With other formats like ultra HD and 3D and others, 4k hasn't taken the market like NTEK had hoped. They just recently announced they are going to start distributing streating HD content now too. Maybe that will help. Probably not too much though. I think the best hope is for a Netflix or some other budding streaming company to buy them up.


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March 26th, 2016 at 8:08:31 AM permalink
Thank you. I think, sadly my 'investment play' is gone like you say. I've been in and around organized legalized gambling for years and always looking for ways to improve my advantage, but with one caveat. I won't cheat as in bringing in devices, altered items or use plants, partners. Never have, never will. The casino industry is an animal of all it's own since the 1900's. The modern casino industry, circa 1930's has been replaced with the new aged computer casino industries, probably starting in the late 60's. Even the oldest mechanical reel slots are now fitted with computer modules and networked to the house mainframes. This can't be stopped and there's no reason to do so.

Casinos in one regard don't need the edge because they make the rules. Ever think about card counting and the casinos made it illegal (to casinos) for you to use your brain to remember dealt cards? We used to sit there and remember card plays and people started tapping their foot, or moving chips around or whatever and the casinos made it tos to use obvious card counting techniques. Then they upped the number of decks ridiculously to make sure. Casinos don't want you using your brains.

And as you know, casinos aren't there to give money away. They figure ways to take your money, no surprise there.
If you have been in one or two lately, you probably notice a very obvious shift to the gigantic penny & multi bet amounts computer slot systems. The C's want you to plop down and not get up until it's gone. It's no mistake or for convenience that most of the newer huge computer monitor systems force you to put in ten bucks to start, they know the psych of people and know that 90% will do so and forget that they're loading out more money first and will run it. The casinos know their prey.

Progression games of all types have been out forever. Those are mostly in the top 3 money makers. Those are psych games as well. Basically it's all about psych and what happens to your brains when entering their establishments. It's also a whole other topic to talk about where casinos are today, with family value packs and bringing back more entertaining, etc. It's all about keeping you inside obviously.

I know I'm not saying anything unknown, just giving my back story a little. I used to sell gambling books in the mail decades ago... remember, mail order business from the kitchen table.. It was fun and I made money. But I didn't just resell stupid junk, I wrote some of the stuff myself or rewrote with up to date info in most cases. I still believe I sent out more honest info than what I was getting from these mail order publishers.

Is any form of gambling a natural human trait? IDK but being we're from early human hunters/gatherers maybe there's always been some sort of competitive factor coming from the thrill of the hunt. The challenge to excel and compete probably kept us alive to this day. Take away the four leg trophy and you gotta do something to quench that drive.
Gambling perhaps? Just a thought.

About ntgl and ntek, I didn't know much or care about ntek connections until after ntgl dividend thing. There's tons of crap out there on the internet about Nanotech company. I wasn't looking in that way at the time. I caught this board at inception, thought at some point it would be convenient that it may be used to talk about NG and their products AND company successes, but read elsewhere about the so called stock dividends in new company NG. That's the side bet I got in on. Because I had some cash from other stock plays. It was a short term impulse play with no real research stock wise. Like candy at the check out register. I was interested in Hightowers theories and things. My bad, looking at it now.

I wasn't even bothering looking for red flags, company wise. Easy stuff like, No financials with actual government agencies, not even a SEC filer, advertising all over the internet their stock ticker but no real public advertising about products. Internet presence only. The list goes on and on and by the time I bothered, it's like "oh shit, I'm all in and I've lost that bluff". This is all on me, as I said, I totally didn't do my normal research or stock mind set. Companies go bust all the time. Shit happens. It's not a shock or surprise to me. But it's all obvious now that NG turned into a sham. Did it start that way? IDK, but the history of the founder should have been a sign of things to come. Late 2015 it was clear even the people involved with nanotech anything weren't who they said they were.

I have no one to blame but myself, but still feel violated by anyone Nanotech now. As far as I'm concerned, an outside entity going into an established casino system claiming they have better odds than the house and the casino must let them take up valuable floor space is a fallacy. Seriously? Can you go into a bar and pull out your own 6 pack and ask the barmaid to pour em up? What makes anyone think casinos would allow that. What's going to happen, and is happening now is the casinos themselves using whatever is out there and implementing internally. No sane casino conglomerate would ever allow an outside form of control of their juice. If anything like that happens, I guarantee it will originate from inside the system. Simple casino business logic and revenue sense to ever think Nanotech or anyone else could penetrate a casino system like that. Not when the casinos themselves have the long standing brain trusts and lawyers to protect themselves. All that litigation and political amendment shit is being written BY the casino industries, NOT the competition.

I guess we'll see where nanotech goes, probably not too much farther and what happens to this forum board as well.

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March 26th, 2016 at 8:25:32 AM permalink
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I wasn't even bothering looking for red flags, company wise. Easy stuff like, No financials with actual government agencies, not even a SEC filer, advertising all over the internet their stock ticker but no real public advertising about products. Internet presence only. The list goes on and on and by the time I bothered, it's like "oh shit, I'm all in and I've lost that bluff". This is all on me, as I said, I totally didn't do my normal research or stock mind set. Companies go bust all the time. Shit happens. It's not a shock or surprise to me. But it's all obvious now that NG turned into a sham. Did it start that way? IDK, but the history of the founder should have been a sign of things to come. Late 2015 it was clear even the people involved with nanotech anything weren't who they said they were.



And there it is everyone.

Just like 99% of all Pink Sheet stocks, NTEK and NTGL appear to be nothing more than insider enrichment schemes that prey on novice investors pulled into the "easy money" by unscrupulous promoters and insiders.

Ahigh probably had high hopes that his ideas would work, but it appears Felon Foley only wanted the narrative to sell more stock.
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March 26th, 2016 at 8:41:23 AM permalink
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And there it is everyone.

Just like 99% of all Pink Sheet stocks, NTEK and NTGL are nothing more than insider enrichment schemes that prey on novice investors pulled into the "easy money" by unscrupulous promoters and insiders.

Ahigh probably had high hopes that his ideas would work, but it appears Felon Foley only wanted the narrative to sell more stock.



Yes, that's pretty much what I meant by 'did it start as a sham'. Ahigh was doing his own thing, knew Foley and maybe thought he's get paid doing what he liked in the beginning. Ahigh had to have seen the flags, but maybe thought stupidly, it wouldn't involve him? Ahigh obviously has some mental issues and foley likely saw this and took advantage of Ahigh. But I sure don't believe Ahigh was blind to it all. He's culpable as well. I do not think of Ahigh as a victim, but more of an idiot accomplice. Ahigh just isn't THAT stupid to be that oblivious to the company.
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March 26th, 2016 at 8:41:46 AM permalink
The dynamic is similar to how it was back in the day when casinos were owned by mobsters yet fronted by ostensibly "clean" individuals.

Hello, Glick.
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March 26th, 2016 at 12:13:15 PM permalink
+What is glick? Casino program?
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March 26th, 2016 at 12:27:20 PM permalink
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+What is glick? Casino program?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argent_Corporation
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March 28th, 2016 at 11:03:00 PM permalink
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Thank you. I think, sadly my 'investment play' is gone like you say. I've been in and around organized legalized gambling for years and always looking for ways to improve my advantage, but with one caveat. I won't cheat as in bringing in devices, altered items or use plants, partners. Never have, never will. The casino industry is an animal of all it's own since the 1900's. The modern casino industry, circa 1930's has been replaced with the new aged computer casino industries, probably starting in the late 60's. Even the oldest mechanical reel slots are now fitted with computer modules and networked to the house mainframes. This can't be stopped and there's no reason to do so.

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Really interesting posts, sammy! Welcome to the forum; I think you'll like it here.

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March 28th, 2016 at 11:36:51 PM permalink
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. It's no mistake or for convenience that most of the newer huge computer monitor systems force you to put in ten bucks to start, they know the psych of people and know that 90% will do so and forget that they're loading out more money first and will run it. The casinos know their prey.

"It's no mistake or for convenience that most of the newer huge computer monitor systems force you to put in ten bucks to start"

???

Unless its a $5 denomination I haven't run across this, perhaps I'm not understanding whatever it is you're saying.

Then again I'm not usually putting in $1's and $5's into machines, however I will consolidate slot tickets for very low amounts.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 29th, 2016 at 6:41:26 AM permalink
Yes. I'll try to be more clear. None of this is about table card gaming with dealers, just walking around hitting the slots. I'm running into a lot these types of penny/nickle 30 pay line giant computer screened behemoths that are beginning to require a larger 'deposit' before you make plays. They're always huge, bright and noisy.
Vana White... Monopoly.. etc. Egypt, the theme's are endless. The mind game here in part is to make people put in more money at start, and then they have to play a hundred credits. ($1). There is a long studied science about separating a players mind from their concept of money value and detached credits.
The more vague the less you kinda sorta don't feel the loss. I remember reading and talking to casino employees in Vegas decades ago, and one of the older theories was the closer physically and solid a players money is in their pocket, the tighter they would be with it. It's just a trivial thought of hundreds the casinos have studied over the decades on how to separate your funds from you, but they were already working credit systems in place of tokens and coins. Now we have computers and player cards.

Which personally, are tremendous money savers for casinos undoubtedly, total tracking play by play of every single card member, hundreds of advantages for the casinos to do this, but not a good thing for the player at all. Even Indian casinos now will put credits on the player card and there's atm's on the floor for you to charge/load your card to play. Sorry, no atm for me at casinos.

The gambler's own money management is not a plus for the casinos. As example, I've always, when working slots, used quarters as my base bank amount and stair step up to higher values if cashing. But always thought in forms of cash amounts directly. The tokens were pretty much the same feel as coins and not far from the old familiar feel and handling so anyone's older routines (whatever peoples idea of gambling was) weren't that disrupted. Electronic tickets and cards remove some of that old time conditioning and force one to learn new math and ways of money management that to me seem meant to confuse and push one to accept a higher pay range per play as the norm.

Yet, I persist in working mech reeled (well, as mech as computers allow these days) slots, NOT computer screen slots, real reel slots.

I'm fascinated by the psychology of gambling in casinos and if there wasn't any validity to what I'm putting forth about casinos messing with peoples minds and money management, why would almost every new slot machine on the floor still have that old 'ding ding ding' when the money 'drops' to your coupon ticket print out? Of course there's the "oh someone won" thing, or maybe I should check that one out when they're gone...etc etc etc....

Mind games.
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March 29th, 2016 at 7:52:00 AM permalink
ntek went from $.002 to $.015 in a week?!

a 750% rise!
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