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December 20th, 2015 at 9:53:45 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Personal insult -- three-day suspension. I'm not sure who the insult is against, but I presume it is someone on the forum.

For the benefit of the Americans on the forum, according to Dictionary.com, the most fitting definition of a bash in this context is "to hurl harsh verbal abuse at." However, it was more so the "lying" part that bothers me.

In the penny stock world, "basher" is someone who talks down a stock so they can buy it cheap (short it).
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December 20th, 2015 at 10:07:50 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

In the penny stock world, "basher" is someone who talks down a stock so they can buy it cheap (short it).



Yes, that is the textbook definition.

But in many instances when a true and verifiable fact that just happens to be damaging to the company and/or the management is presented, the presenter is trashed and called a "basher" or a "short seller" by the company insiders or the paid promoters of the company stock. These company people blame all the price per share woes of the company on the bashers or the short sellers when in actuality it is the constant dilution by those same insiders that is causing the price decline.
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December 20th, 2015 at 10:14:21 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Really? You should go through AHigh's recent posts then, and count the number of times he accused zScore of lying (yes, that same word, "lying"). Just go through this thread, for a start.

E.g.
December 18th, 2015 at 8:01:08 AM
December 17th, 2015 at 10:10:06 PM
December 17th, 2015 at 9:50:34 PM



Let's just look at the December 18th, 2015 at 8:01:08 AM post, where Ahigh wrote, "You came up with lies."

Granted, that comes close to the line. However, I consider it heavier to say that somebody else is a liar than to say something he said is a lie. Saying a statement is a lie is attacking the writing of another, which is allowed, but calling someone a liar is attacking the writer, which is not allowed.

Maybe we moderators gave Ahigh too much leash in that thread, but we know several members have stock in the company, or thinking of buying some. These financially interested parties I assume would have preferred to keep an open channel of communication of what was going on. That doesn't mean we gave Ahigh impunity, but I at least gave him the benefit of the doubt several times in this thread.
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December 20th, 2015 at 11:17:13 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

In the penny stock world, "basher" is someone who talks down a stock so they can buy it cheap (short it).



Thanks; I did not know that.

Dictionary.com says another usage is a prostitute. Has anybody ever heard it used in that context? I never have.
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December 20th, 2015 at 11:46:06 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks; I did not know that.

Dictionary.com says another usage is a prostitute. Has anybody ever heard it used in that context? I never have.



"Her pimp bashered me in the head and stole my wallet when I went into that cheap motel off Fremont with that prostitute."

Does that work?
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December 20th, 2015 at 11:50:40 AM permalink
edited
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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December 20th, 2015 at 1:09:59 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob


This is interesting. Running a company from
a federal prison is a dicey thing. They are
only allowed 300 min of phone time a month,
in 15 min segments. That amounts to 20 sessions
a month. Email use is sketchy and must be paid
for by the inmate. US mail is unlimited, but
takes days to arrive.

I wonder how this news will effect a stock price
that's already in freefall. It's certainly not good
news.



I wonder how your statement will be viewed by CEO Jeff Foley?

David Foley is in prison, EB.

Jeff Foley is not in prison, he is the current CEO.

Different guy.

"Oops!"
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December 20th, 2015 at 1:14:56 PM permalink
Quote: MrV


"Oops!"



There is more than one Foley? How many are there.

At least Ahigh isn't here to yell at me. lol
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December 20th, 2015 at 1:52:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There is more than one Foley? How many are there.

At least Ahigh isn't here to yell at me. lol



And some people say you never admit when your wrong.
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December 20th, 2015 at 3:35:31 PM permalink
I read on I-hub that Jeff is David's brother.

Hello, straw man.
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December 20th, 2015 at 4:19:55 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

And some people say you never admit when your wrong.

But did he really?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 20th, 2015 at 5:06:24 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

But did he really?



I deleted the comment, I said I didn't know there
was more than one Foley. There are probably
more, how would I know.
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December 20th, 2015 at 5:23:07 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I deleted the comment, I said I didn't know there
was more than one Foley. There are probably
more, how would I know.



But thay sure didn't stop you from jumping to conclusions. Considering you seem to have many comments on the entire company you probably should have at least known their names. I surely think an apology and admittance of wrong is in line here.
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December 20th, 2015 at 5:28:31 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

you probably should have at least known their names..



I did know the name, Foley. Did I
mention I didn't know there was
more than one? Go back and look,
I think I did.

*this is my last comment on this non subject
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December 20th, 2015 at 5:41:02 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

But thay sure didn't stop you from jumping to conclusions. Considering you seem to have many comments on the entire company you probably should have at least known their names. I surely think an apology and admittance of wrong is in line here.



That seems a little harsh, an edit isn't bad. But the straw man comment probably says it all.
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December 20th, 2015 at 5:45:25 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I wonder how your statement will be viewed by CEO Jeff Foley?

David Foley is in prison, EB.

Jeff Foley is not in prison, he is the current CEO.

Different guy.

"Oops!"



Well at least Mr v has captured the comment. Hopefully he doesn't delete it as well. Isn't there a rule somewhere about editing posts?
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December 20th, 2015 at 6:14:41 PM permalink
I'm in no way a Bob defender and he doesn't need me or anyone to defend him, but it seems he made a mistake and deleted it. I don't think he is denying posting it, and he removed it when corrected.

But like he says all the time, it's just a forum.
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December 20th, 2015 at 6:43:54 PM permalink
Vegas 2047 is the first video game designed for a high limit gambling experience. A cashless attended gaming experience where $100 is a small minimum bet, this game intends to redefine high limit gambling by adding the ability for the most skilled players to have lifetime winnings without exposing the casino to losses. The math model has been called "pure genius" by Gaming Labs Inc, and the game has been called "By far the most innovative product on the show floor" at G2E 2014 by the Wizard of Odds. This game is still in development and we expect it to be in casinos soon!

That's just want casinos want. Lifetime winners in the high limit room ? ?
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December 20th, 2015 at 6:45:32 PM permalink
Maybe Bob got his info here ?

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=84903042
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December 20th, 2015 at 7:08:17 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Well at least Mr v has captured the comment. Hopefully he doesn't delete it as well. Isn't there a rule somewhere about editing posts?



There is no rule. There is a strong request against deleting posts that have been responded to, because it breaks the flow of the conversation and leaves everybody else confused about what got said.
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December 20th, 2015 at 7:30:57 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

There is no rule. There is a strong request against deleting posts that have been responded to, because it breaks the flow of the conversation and leaves everybody else confused about what got said.



You are right, my bad. I am on another forum that has that rule. They allow edits for 1 week but you are not allowed to change the message, just add or fix errors.
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December 21st, 2015 at 5:36:54 PM permalink
Really confusing day. NTEK stock is up 32%, and NTGL
stock plummeted 21%. Doesn't make any sense.
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December 21st, 2015 at 6:00:34 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Really confusing day. NTEK stock is up 32%, and NTGL
stock plummeted 21%. Doesn't make any sense.

Also, NTGR was up 0.35%, NTRI was up 4.84%, and NTWK was up 30.62%. You know that all five of those are independent businesses, right?
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December 21st, 2015 at 6:38:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Really confusing day. NTEK stock is up 32%, and NTGL
stock plummeted 21%. Doesn't make any sense.



Any stock that has these kind of swings either way is gambling, not investing.

In many cases there is manipulation of price by a few individuals, who may or may not be with the company.

Note these are general statements and I have no clue as to what happened today as to your original question.
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December 21st, 2015 at 8:13:08 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Also, NTGR was up 0.35%, NTRI was up 4.84%, and NTWK was up 30.62%. You know that all five of those are independent businesses, right?



What's your point. How can one company have
two stock exchange names.
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December 21st, 2015 at 9:15:29 PM permalink
This is really confusing...there are two Foley's? And now two companies? Buffet always says don't invest in what you don't understand. Best to heed his advice and stick to things that are in the wheelhouse...like presidential election predictions...I hear those make more sense.
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December 21st, 2015 at 9:27:35 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This is really confusing...there are two Foley's? And now two companies? Buffet always says don't invest in what you don't understand. Best to heed his advice and stick to things that are in the wheelhouse...like presidential election predictions...I hear those make more sense.



Actually there are at least three....David, the founder, Jeff the current Chairman or as MrV calls him, the straw man, and Phil.

Attached is the current roster as presented on the NTEK website(appears to be outdated as Riordan is no longer there)

https://ntek.com/team.php

And from the Nevada Secretary of State..

http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=NkUMPTHrDA9pc8U7pRWyJw%253d%253d&nt7=0
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December 21st, 2015 at 11:55:41 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This is really confusing...there are two Foley's? And now two companies? Buffet always says don't invest in what you don't understand. Best to heed his advice and stick to things that are in the wheelhouse...like presidential election predictions...I hear those make more sense.

LOL
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December 22nd, 2015 at 12:21:06 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

This is really confusing...there are two Foley's?



Three, actually. More hiding in the bushes, maybe.
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December 22nd, 2015 at 8:17:38 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Three, actually. More hiding in the bushes, maybe.


Wait...There is another Foley masquerading as Jeb Bush? This is like a Seinfeld episode...worlds are colliding.
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December 22nd, 2015 at 8:39:38 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Wait...There is another Foley masquerading as Jeb Bush? This is like a Seinfeld episode...worlds are colliding.


That is funny. +1
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December 22nd, 2015 at 8:42:40 AM permalink
Alright, who's the Foley artist?
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December 22nd, 2015 at 8:42:48 AM permalink
What about Axel Foley?
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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December 22nd, 2015 at 4:26:06 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

What about Axel Foley?



Isn't he from Detroit? ;-)
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December 22nd, 2015 at 5:34:55 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Alright, who's the Foley artist?



Lol! Mrs. Foley, at least.

<Creak> <moan> <giggle>
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December 22nd, 2015 at 5:36:37 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Lol! Mrs. Foley, at least.

<Creak> <moan> <giggle>



A pity that Ahigh can't participate is all
of this.
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December 22nd, 2015 at 5:50:14 PM permalink
Give him time.

Maybe a skill based slot machine based on craps would work.

Have to figure out how to include a bit of the old school DI in it for the AP crowd?
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December 22nd, 2015 at 6:04:06 PM permalink
Why would Ahigh care about confusing worlds colliding?
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December 23rd, 2015 at 12:20:31 PM permalink
I just read that NTGL hasn't even applied for a
gaming license yet, which they need to install
a game in any Vegas casino. Don't those take
a long time to be processed, what are they
waiting for. I thought they were in a big rush.
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December 23rd, 2015 at 12:22:36 PM permalink
I wonder whether the incarceration of Mr. Foley has a bearing on this issue?
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December 23rd, 2015 at 12:56:12 PM permalink
There is no rush. If one of the machines is installed and then removed as unprofitable then the jig is up. So long as it's in the "coming soon" stage and they can keep selling stock then they keep drawing paychecks.

Last I read they haven't even figured out the ticket-in, ticket-out thing. I'm not in the game biz but I'm guessing the payout mechanism would have been one of the first things to work out, not just an afterthought.

They've been at it for what, 1.5 years now?

Would the Gaming Commission even give them a license with the founder in prison and his brother in charge as the strawman? The guy is an ice-sculptor who's now CEO of two publicly traded companies...
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December 23rd, 2015 at 2:41:12 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

Last I read they haven't even figured out the ticket-in, ticket-out thing. I'm not in the game biz but I'm guessing the payout mechanism would have been one of the first things to work out, not just an afterthought.



Ahigh proclaimed their machines are table
games and will never have a TITO on them.
When told he doesn't get to decide what's
a table game and what's a slot, he scoffed.
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December 23rd, 2015 at 3:14:15 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just read that NTGL hasn't even applied for a
gaming license yet, which they need to install
a game in any Vegas casino. Don't those take
a long time to be processed, what are they
waiting for. I thought they were in a big rush.



NTGL will never get licensed to manufacturer slot machines in Nevada. They will need to partner with another company that is licensed to do the project.
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December 23rd, 2015 at 3:18:38 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

NTGL will never get licensed to manufacturer slot machines in Nevada. They will need to partner with another company that is licensed to do the project.



Why?
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December 23rd, 2015 at 4:16:02 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Why?



They do extensive background checks on all company principals. They want at least 10 years of personal bank statements where they scrutinize all deposits and withdrawls. I am just assuming a criminal history of fraud will disqualify them.

That will not prevent them from forming a business relationship where they license their patents and technology to another company.
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December 23rd, 2015 at 4:28:23 PM permalink
When casinos came to town in NJ, most were mobbed up, at least many had principals with mob ties.

*see: "The Boardwalk Jungle" by Ovid Demaris for further, salient details*

To sanitize themselves, they'd have the unsavory fellow demoted, or removed from a position of power, and that placated the NJ commission, leading to approval.

One of the few denied a license was Hugh Hefner: not because of mob ties, but because of his attitude.

Anyway, with David Foley ostensibly booted out of and no longer involved with NTEK / NTGL, that MIGHT be deemed "good enough," although I've read the casino regulators in Nevada are tighter about this sort of thing than the ones in NJ.
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December 23rd, 2015 at 4:34:42 PM permalink
Quote: MrV



Anyway, with David Foley ostensibly booted out of and no longer involved with NTEK / NTGL, that MIGHT be deemed "good enough," although I've read the casino regulators in Nevada are tighter about this sort of thing than the ones in NJ.



I'd say slim and none with his brother in the top spot and no qualifications.

On a related note, it's actually easier to get a distributor to work with you if you have a good product than to get a placement yourself. They don't even have a distributor deal. That shows you what the market thinks of the product. Other companies with skill based games (at least 4 that I know of) are raring to go and will have games on the floor before you know it.


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December 24th, 2015 at 7:36:53 AM permalink
link to Nano Tech Store

Only a few oddball items are actually available for sale, most pinball-related.

What, no table games?
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December 24th, 2015 at 10:17:20 AM permalink
Merry Christmas, Aaron
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December 31st, 2015 at 3:02:03 PM permalink
Here's the year end news for NTEK stock:

12/31/2014 closing price .044
12/31/2015 closing price .0061

What is that, an 85% drop? How
low can it go.
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