Miss stud hole carding
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Cant they just instate the procedure of removing four community cards from the shuffler (opposed to the three they now remove) and simply discard the bottom card after fanning the community cards out and placing the top three in there respective community card spots... This would keep all community cards protected from view and prevent any information from being exposed...
Simple fix and would remove this single game protection issue the game seems to have now, aside from players looking at each other's cards.
Wouldn't this fix the issue all together?
Quote: mrsuit31Based on a comment that someone had made in a recent post regarding hole carding in Mississippi Stud... Cant this "cheating/hole-carding" problem be fixed VERY easily? (I don't mean to call anyone cheaters, just getting the point across)
Cant they just instate the procedure of removing four community cards from the shuffler (opposed to the three they now remove) and simply discard the bottom card after fanning the community cards out and placing the top three in there respective community card spots... This would keep all community cards protected from view and prevent any information from being exposed...
Simple fix and would remove this single game protection issue the game seems to have now, aside from players looking at each other's cards.
Wouldn't this fix the issue all together?
I've seen a casino use a cut card. But they put the cut card on top of the slug before they removed it from the shuffler. With one of the dealers I could see the bottom card from across the room (and my eyes are terrible)
I'm not completely sure of the purpose of the cut card. Perhaps to defeat edge sorting, but it doesn't seem very effective since they would then fan the 3 cards out face-down. Anyway, they had a turn in their shuffle. I really have no idea what they were doing.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI've seen a casino use a cut card. But they put the cut card on top of the slug before they removed it from the shuffler. With one of the dealers I could see the bottom card from across the room (and my eyes are terrible)
I'm not completely sure of the purpose of the cut card. Perhaps to defeat edge sorting, but it doesn't seem very effective since they would then fan the 3 cards out face-down. Anyway, they had a turn in their shuffle. I really have no idea what they were doing.
The method that I proposed would certainly work without any hassle. Its similar to the way we slide the draw card off the top of the four card hand in Money$uit 31, so that this card is not exposed. Just like in MS stud we dont care if the player sees the bottom card because in M$31 that is one of your 3 anyway and in MS stud it would simply be discarded...
Problem solved!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI've seen a casino use a cut card. But they put the cut card on top of the slug before they removed it from the shuffler. With one of the dealers I could see the bottom card from across the room (and my eyes are terrible)
I'm not completely sure of the purpose of the cut card. Perhaps to defeat edge sorting, but it doesn't seem very effective since they would then fan the 3 cards out face-down. Anyway, they had a turn in their shuffle. I really have no idea what they were doing.
We recently started using cut cards in all our carnival games. MS Stud and Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em use them for the board card, as does Let It Ride. All our other carnival games use them on the dealer hands. Of course, a really skilled hole-carder could probably defeat that, since typical procedure for that involves removing the cards and setting them on the cut card, moving them next to the marked area on the board, and spreading them right to left.
Quote: hwccdealerWe recently started using cut cards in all our carnival games. MS Stud and Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em use them for the board card, as does Let It Ride. All our other carnival games use them on the dealer hands. Of course, a really skilled hole-carder could probably defeat that, since typical procedure for that involves removing the cards and setting them on the cut card, moving them next to the marked area on the board, and spreading them right to left.
My point is, at this casino, they put the cut card ON TOP of the slug. That only prevents your from reading the back of the top card, not the front of the bottom card.
There are a few fixes to this. There was a LONG thread on dealing UTH/HUH in "two-card packet" mode, - no dump of the community board until it is needed - and where you could program the shuffler to dump a packet of three for the flop ( - leave the board's two-card packet in the shuffler and press the green button once, for one more card to make a three-card packet for the flop. THEN you're back to two-card packet mode for the turn and the river, and then two cards for the dealer's hole cards....that would NOT be hard to program. One press of the green button when a packet is in the dispenser mean "add ONE card.")
Shufflers are computer-program run, and can be programmed for any game where ONLY the cards needed are dispensed WHEN needed. It's easy for UTH and HUH, but harder (more reprogramming) for MS stud and other games, but doable.
I've seen hand-dealt UTH and other poker games where only the needed cards are dealt, and after players made their decisions.
If the big guys think it is something to address, they'd address it in a flash, and for a song. What can I tell ya.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceMy point is, at this casino, they put the cut card ON TOP of the slug. That only prevents your from reading the back of the top card, not the front of the bottom card.
Yeah, that seems silly. What does that accomplish? Unless the cut card is a sombrero or something.
Quote: ontariodealerour casino fixed this problem by bringing out the dealers hand one at a time after the players act......3 card poker as well.
That's what my home casino does. Maybe we are talking about the same place :)
