Diamond in a day in vegas?
From the VPFree website, does the 1 play mean you need to min bet it instead of 5x betting?
99.54% JoB Kdb_table Jacks or Better New Window 1-2-3-4-6-9-25-50-800
(2) $5, $10, $25, $50 1 Play Slant high limit room ($5 SF = 239) ($25 coin-in per tier credit)
(1) $100 3 Coins 1 Play Up high limit room ($25 coin-in per tier credit)
Quote: LXIXME17Currently what is the quickest way to earn diamond in a day in Las Vegas? I recently got an offer that adds a 50% bonus to the amount of tier credits earned during June. Which of the casinos should I be trying to play JoB at?
From the VPFree website, does the 1 play mean you need to min bet it instead of 5x betting?
99.54% JoB Kdb_table Jacks or Better New Window 1-2-3-4-6-9-25-50-800
(2) $5, $10, $25, $50 1 Play Slant high limit room ($5 SF = 239) ($25 coin-in per tier credit)
(1) $100 3 Coins 1 Play Up high limit room ($25 coin-in per tier credit)
Quickest? Slots.
Cheapest? Probably the highest payout VP that is still $10 coin in per TC.
Someone would have to do the math, but I suspect 8/6 JoB @ $10/TC is better than 9/6 JoB @ $20/TC when trying for DIAD. But I guess that could also depend on your bonus. Also make sure the bonus is for TC and not just RC.
"1 play" in vpFREE2.com means that is a single-line game instead of multiline like 3/5/10 play.Quote: LXIXME17From the VPFree website, does the 1 play mean you need to min bet it instead of 5x betting?
Quote: gamerfreakQuickest? Slots.
Cheapest? Probably the highest payout VP that is still $10 coin in per TC.
Someone would have to do the math, but I suspect 8/6 JoB @ $10/TC is better than 9/6 JoB @ $20/TC when trying for DIAD. But I guess that could also depend on your bonus. Also make sure the bonus is for TC and not just RC.
Dollar 8/5 Bonus (99.17%) at Rio for full points is the cheapest way possible, afaik.
Also make sure you're opted-in to the 50% tier Bonus. I think I had to put my TR account info in on a page or something like that.
If you were to play only 1 day in the quarter, 4999 earned TC would get a 2499 credit bonus. That's still short of Diamond. And 5000 earned TC would get a 10,000 bonus for the day's play plus a 2499 TC bonus at the end of the quarter. The 2499 just doesn't help with attaining diamond status in this scenario.
Quote: LXIXME17Currently what is the quickest way to earn diamond in a day in Las Vegas? I recently got an offer that adds a 50% bonus to the amount of tier credits earned during June.
2500 tc in a day gets you 5000 bonus tc = 7500 tc.
7500 tc + this 50% promo = 11250, which is short of the 15k tc needed to be diamond.
if you do two 2500 tc days (or one 5000tc day), then that's 15k tc (including bonus tc), which means you are diamond already.
15k + 50% promo = 22.5k tc, so this 50% promo doesnt do anything for you in respects to making Diamond.
one 2500 tc day + one 1000 tc day:
(2500 + 5000bonus) + (1000 + 1000 bonus) = 9500 + 50% promo = 14250tc. You're close
one 2500tc, one 1000tc, and one 500tc days:
(2500 + 5000) + (1000 + 1000) + (500 + 125) = 10125 + 50% promo = 15187.5tc. DIAMOND!
you can also do 4000tc in a day, and that'll also get you 10125 + 50% promo = 15187.5 tc
Quote: tringlomaneDollar 8/5 Bonus (99.17%) at Rio for full points is the cheapest way possible, afaik.
Also make sure you're opted-in to the 50% tier Bonus. I think I had to put my TR account info in on a page or something like that.
vpfree says caesars palace $50 9/6 JoB (99.54%) is still $10 coin-in.
$250 per pull.
$50k coin in for 5k tc (plus 10k bonus tc) = 200 hands
avg person plays 750 hands per hour.
so this will only take you ~20min for diamond in a day!!!
for reference:
it took me 8hrs at $2 9/6 JoB for DiaD
Quote: 100xOddsvpfree says caesars palace $50 9/6 JoB (99.54%) is still $10 coin-in.
$250 per pull.
$50k coin in for 5k tc (plus 10k bonus tc) = 200 hands
avg person plays 750 hands per hour.
so this will only take you ~20min for diamond in a day!!!
for reference:
it took me 8hrs at $2 9/6 JoB for DiaD
But the variance on that.
..
Makes my head hurt just to think of making a 250 bet on vp. I'll never be a high roller.
Quote: RomesYes, but with that comes a massively wild swing in variance (either way) and enjoy the W2's for just about everything. I'd rather play $5 level ($25 per pull) and play for 40 minutes and half my W2's.
oh... forgot about the w2-G's :(
Quote: LXIXME17Well that sucked. I played the recommended double super times play JoB 5 play for $70 max at the $2 denomination in the Planet Hollywood high limit area and lost 7k, it didn't take a log time though
$70 per hand?
Quote: LXIXME17Well that sucked. I played the recommended double super times play JoB 5 play for $70 max at the $2 denomination in the Planet Hollywood high limit area and lost 7k, it didn't take a log time though
what?
who recommended that machine?
it's 9/5 JoB = 98.45%
oh.. dstp version = 98.95%. ok, I see why it would be recommended for DiaD.
$2 5line dstp is much quicker to do DiaD than $1 single line 99% BP.
but the increased variance can be murder, as you found out
for single line:
The variance of DSTP Jacks or Better is about 2.5 times that of standard Jacks or Better.
multi-line is even higher.
Quote: gamerfreak$70 per hand?
dstp = 7 coin in
7 x 5 lines x $2 = $70
Quote: 100xOdds2500 tc in a day gets you 5000 bonus tc = 7500 tc.
7500 tc + this 50% promo = 11250, which is short of the 15k tc needed to be diamond.
if you do two 2500 tc days (or one 5000tc day), then that's 15k tc (including bonus tc), which means you are diamond already.
15k + 50% promo = 22.5k tc, so this 50% promo doesnt do anything for you in respects to making Diamond.
one 2500 tc day + one 1000 tc day:
(2500 + 5000bonus) + (1000 + 1000 bonus) = 9500 + 50% promo = 14250tc. You're close
one 2500tc, one 1000tc, and one 500tc days:
(2500 + 5000) + (1000 + 1000) + (500 + 125) = 10125 + 50% promo = 15187.5tc. DIAMOND!
you can also do 4000tc in a day, and that'll also get you 10125 + 50% promo = 15187.5 tc
You don't get the 50% on any bonus credits. So if you earn 2500tc in a day you get 5000 bonus tc and then the 50% is just on the 2500 credits earned so your total would 2500 + 5000 + 1250 = 8750
The bonus is just on earned tier credits.
Quote:You don't get the 50% on any bonus credits. So if you earn 2500tc in a day you get 5000 bonus tc and then the 50% is just on the 2500 credits earned so your total would 2500 + 5000 + 1250 = 8750
The bonus is just on earned tier credits.
So your saying you still have to put the 5000 tier credits on to be diamond and after that you will get a 2500 bonus at the end of the quarter?
I am guessing this is a break even play or a little better at best. You play the 8/5 Bonus Poker and make your card and with the mail and free play back and some comp you should break even or maybe a little better. Of course it could run really good or bad for you. I have had over 8k winning days on dollar 8/5 and many more multiple 3k losing days as well.
Quote: vegasYou don't get the 50% on any bonus credits. So if you earn 2500tc in a day you get 5000 bonus tc and then the 50% is just on the 2500 credits earned so your total would 2500 + 5000 + 1250 = 8750
The bonus is just on earned tier credits.
This changed? Daily bonuses counted last year.
If i understand the Terms & Conditions correctly, daily bonuses do count for this year's promo.Quote: ahiromuThis changed? Daily bonuses counted last year.
Quote: Spring Tier Credit Bonus T's & C's5.Daily Tier Credit Bonuses earned during the Offer Period will count towards meeting the 1,000 Tier Credit minimum and will be included in the calculation of the Spring Tier Credit Bonus amount.
Quote: beachbumbabsI will also say that the bonuses will count for the 50% multiplier. It did last year and my host said it will again this year. We'll all know around July 8th.
Correct.
Heck if I know! They sent me a dildo. My best guess is the message is to go use it on myself.Quote: beachbumbabsI will also say that the bonuses will count for the 50% multiplier. It did last year and my host said it will again this year. We'll all know around July 8th.
Quote: LXIXME17Well that sucked. I played the recommended double super times play JoB 5 play for $70 max at the $2 denomination in the Planet Hollywood high limit area and lost 7k, it didn't take a long time though
just curious why $2 5play instead of $1 10play?
both $70/spin
dstp version of any vp = 2.5x variance thus dstp (JoB)= 50
for reference, variance of regular ddb = 45
data points:
1) in $1 single line 8/5 bp (99.1%), I was -$500 at $2500 coin-in. 500/2500 = 80% return.
2) in $2 triple play dstp (9/5 JoB), I was -$1000 at $5000 coin-in. that's also 80% return.
note: dstp (9/5 JoB) = 99% return.
I (sorta) recovered a little. only -$1200 at $25000 coin in. that's 95% return.
$25k coin-in = 2500tc + 5000 bonus tc = 7.5k tc
sooooooooooooo frustrating whiffing when you get multipliers.
worse was when I got a 8x multiplier on the draw AND 5x redraw (13x total) and whiffing on 4 to an inside straight flush.
because of that frustration, I didn't try for the other 2500tc to max out the bonus tc
I'm more of a poker and table games player than a slot/VP player. Does anyone know how points are calculated on different games? Particularly interested in Poker, Pai Gow Poker and Midi Bac. What would $100 avg bet earn on each of those per hour?
Is it worth striving to earn Diamond in a day or two if I only go to Vegas once or twice a year? How much play do I have to log to keep Diamond once I get it?
No. It only changes your status. It does not give you ANY reward points.Quote: DeucekiesSo I went ahead and got the Total Rewards Visa, which automatically bumps me to TR Platinum. Does that mean it bumps my rewards points to the 5,000 required?
This will vary wildly pending the game you play and how the pit boss rates you. Usually it's determined by your average bet and whatever the casino takes as their "average hands per hour." This tells them what kind of action you're putting through at what kind of house edge, and they make a table for how many points from there.Quote: DeucekiesI'm more of a poker and table games player than a slot/VP player. Does anyone know how points are calculated on different games? Particularly interested in Poker, Pai Gow Poker and Midi Bac. What would $100 avg bet earn on each of those per hour?
Honestly the 2 easiest ways to figure this out are:
1) Ask a host directly.
2) Find out your points. Play at a table betting $10 per hand for 1 hour exactly. Leave. Check your points the next day and see how many you got. Use this as a benchmark to see how other average bets/timelines would work to get you where you need to be.
Personally I say YES. The -EV of earning Diamond in a day or two playing even 9-5 JoB is like -$400. When you get Diamond you instantly get $100 celebration dinner, free nights, and free play as a result of your action. Then, you never have to pay resort fees anywhere in the world you go. Never wait in lines. Get in all the Diamond Lounges (which you 'could' make your meals in vegas if you wanted to do it cheap), etc, etc. Also, if you get it during this year, it lasts the rest of this year and THEN all of next calendar year.Quote: DeucekiesIs it worth striving to earn Diamond in a day or two if I only go to Vegas once or twice a year? How much play do I have to log to keep Diamond once I get it?
I also got double diamond dinners and stays... I got a diamond dinner in the middle of the year when I earned it, then the following year I had another Diamond dinner... So seriously, I believe they give you the value of your -EV straight back... Then factor in the lounges and no waiting in lines, private check-ins, etc. It's VERY convenient and VERY worth it, in my opinion.
Quote: RomesPersonally I say YES. The -EV of earning Diamond in a day or two playing even 9-5 JoB is like -$400. When you get Diamond you instantly get $100 celebration dinner, free nights, and free play as a result of your action. Then, you never have to pay resort fees anywhere in the world you go. Never wait in lines. Get in all the Diamond Lounges (which you 'could' make your meals in vegas if you wanted to do it cheap), etc, etc. Also, if you get it during this year, it lasts the rest of this year and THEN all of next calendar year.
I also got double diamond dinners and stays... I got a diamond dinner in the middle of the year when I earned it, then the following year I had another Diamond dinner... So seriously, I believe they give you the value of your -EV straight back... Then factor in the lounges and no waiting in lines, private check-ins, etc. It's VERY convenient and VERY worth it, in my opinion.
Ok. So if I get it in February (when my next trip is), I have it for 2017 and 2018? And from there, do I need to earn another 15,000 points to keep it?
Quote: DeucekiesDoes anyone know how points are calculated on different games? Particularly interested in Pai Gow Poker. What would $100 avg bet earn on each of those per hour?
PGP is between 100 and 300 per hour at $100 per hand, this is the roughest of guesses. If you google, you should be able to find some theories, but I doubt you will find anything concrete. People who learn this kind of information aren't necessarily the types to give it out freely, plus, it can change whenever CZR needs to meet a quarterly target...
-$400 +/- about $2300... so $2700 is the bankroll for "worst case scenario."Quote: DeucekiesOk. I'll reread this thread for ways to go for Diamond. I'm not sure I'm bankrolled for DiaD as discussed here. To get $50,000 coin-in on VP must require a huge bankroll when considering variance.
I think that was 2SD, so about 95% confidence.
Quote: Romes-$400 +/- about $2300... so $2700 is the bankroll for "worst case scenario."
I think that was 2SD, so about 95% confidence.
Ok. And that's assuming pretty perfect play, right? How much practice does it take most people to reach that point?
Yes that assumes pretty perfect play. Depends on the game. If you're playing JoB I would imagine not very long at all. You can print out the strategy and reference it. A lot of the hands are obvious, and once you learn the special cases through repetition then you're good to go. Not only could you practice using the Wizards free demo (and it warns you against strategy mistakes), but you could even play the promotion with that piece of paper (not a phone). It would take you longer as your hands per hour would suck, but you could play well at least.Quote: DeucekiesOk. And that's assuming pretty perfect play, right? How much practice does it take most people to reach that point?
I'd recommend printing the strategy, reviewing it a few times to make sure you know it, then practicing for an hour or two on the trainer. At that point you should be 'decent enough' to run the game. JoB is pretty easy. Other games get a little bit more complex.
Quote: DeucekiesOk. And that's assuming pretty perfect play, right? How much practice does it take most people to reach that point?
simple strategy (1page) for 9/6 JoB (99.5%) is easy.
u don't even need practice.
print it out from Wiz's site and just start playing. you'll get the hang of it in 30min.
at $2denom single line, I made DiaD in 8hrs.
and was up a few hundred $.
unfortunately, there is no 9/6 JoB in vegas at $10 coin-in per tier point.
best is $1 8/5 BP (99.1%) at Rio.
you can use the same simple JoB strategy.
but because it's $1 denom instead of $2, it'll take 16hrs for DiaD. :o
so you can break it into 2 days of 2500 tier points.
2nd best is 9/5 JoB 'double super times pay' (99%) at Planet Hollywood.
It's multiline. At $1 denom, it's 3/5/10 play. at $2 denom, it's only 3/5 play.
same strategy.
at $1 10play or $2 5play, you can do DiaD in 2hrs!
but variance will be ALOT higher! A L O T!
i'll let a mathlete calculate bankroll for this,
Quote: 100xOdds<snip>i'll let a mathlete calculate bankroll for this<snip>
Uh oh...there is that word again...
Oh I thought the bad one was math Boyz or something else like that?Quote: RonCQuote: 100xOdds<snip>i'll let a mathlete calculate bankroll for this<snip>
Uh oh...there is that word again...
High pair, three to a royal, and four to a flush, in that order.
Quote: AxelWolfOh I thought the bad one was math Boyz or something else like that?Quote: RonCQuote: 100xOdds<snip>i'll let a mathlete calculate bankroll for this<snip>
Uh oh...there is that word again...
This is the word some said compare them to high school kids on a math team or some such thing. It was not taken as a term of endearment...
Yes I kinda remember the discussion a few took it as a compliment and a few people felt offended. It usually idiotic voodoo system players using it in a derogatory fashion. I think it's one of them words that can be used as a compliment or insult. It's highly doubtful anyone will ever direct it at me in either context. I respect math so I wouldn't use it in a derogatory manner, I would just call someone a nerd or something else instead.Quote: RonCQuote: AxelWolfOh I thought the bad one was math Boyz or something else like that?Quote: RonCQuote: 100xOdds<snip>i'll let a mathlete calculate bankroll for this<snip>
Uh oh...there is that word again...
This is the word some said compare them to high school kids on a math team or some such thing. It was not taken as a term of endearment...
There's only a few egotistical jerky math guys/gal on here. Most of them are super nice and really helpful to others.
Sometimes you actually get someone who are actually very good at math, however they still believe in dumb systems.I'll never understand how it.s possible one can have an excellent math understanding and ability yet they claim they believe in BS gambling systems.
Quote: RonCQuote: AxelWolfOh I thought the bad one was math Boyz or something else like that?Quote: RonCQuote: 100xOdds<snip>i'll let a mathlete calculate bankroll for this<snip>
Uh oh...there is that word again...
This is the word some said compare them to high school kids on a math team or some such thing. It was not taken as a term of endearment...
oh.. I thought of it as a term of endearment.
so whats the bankroll required for DiaD at 9/5 Job 'Double super times pay' ($1 denom 10play or $2 denom 5play)?
1) One of the main reasons I want Diamond status is to save resort fees, not have to wait in line, have access to Diamond Lounges. and most of all, to get some free nights in Vegas (and maybe at other Caesar properties around the country). If I get Diamond in a Day by playing video poker, but they (Caesars) can see that I mostly just play live poker, and I am not a slot player (other than maybe $30 or $40 once in awhile), are they going to offer me free nights? Do you think it is likely that I would get an invitation to their Winterfest and/or Summerfest tournaments with free rooms included?
2) If I establish Diamond in a Day in a place other than Vegas, will that hurt my offers in Vegas?
3) If I read the comments in this thread correctly, if I establish Diamond status between now and January 31st, 2017, I will keep my status until January 31st 2018. But if I wait until February 2017, I will keep my status until January of 2019. Is that correct? I literally posed this question at a Total Rewards desk in Reno yesterday, and the clerk (and her co-worker) could not definitively answer my question.
Thank you!
Quote: Wungee3) If I read the comments in this thread correctly, if I establish Diamond status between now and January 31st, 2017, I will keep my status until January 31st 2018. But if I wait until February 2017, I will keep my status until January of 2019. Is that correct?
I'd like to know too. I was assuming the answer was yes but I earned diamond earlier this month and the website says it expires January 2018.
Quote: BTLWII'd like to know too. I was assuming the answer was yes but I earned diamond earlier this month and the website says it expires January 2018.
Your current Diamond card will expire at the end of January but you will be issued a new one that expires in January 2019.
According to vpfree2, the only 9-6 JoB games at Rio are now a $5 denom, and are $25 coin-in per tier credit. Is that right?
If that's right, it probably makes DiaD out of the question for me, unless there's another game that's $10 coin-in per tier credit at (preferably) $1 denom.
I've been told Reno is better. Not sure where the best spots are.
I'm sure there are. I needed about 7500 points, so I played this at RIO up to 2500 in one (relatively long) day to get the 5000 tier credit bonus.Quote: billryanI've been told there are much better places to do Diamond in a Day than Vegas.
$1 - 1 Play - Up - in two banks in Poker Plaza (between Buffet and All American Grille)
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