darkoz
darkoz
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April 12th, 2017 at 4:35:47 AM permalink
Quote: mamat

Note: This doesn't state that an AP actually makes a profit (gross or net).

Most people who use some AP techniques either (a) lose (b) "break-even" (cover most living expenses).
....which is a good reason for casinos to allow AP techniques.

If all APs were highly profitable, casinos would be much more likely to ban all APs.

In real-life, BJ counters lose on sport parlays, slot bonus chasers have BJ/baccarat habits, poker players have VP habits, sports bettors play BJ, etc...
...what some might call "leaks".



Even if true that is not the way casinos see it. If u win money cc bj then lose it at craps that is s loss to their bottom line

To them its not "we got his money anyway" to them its "after playing legit one game he stole from us at another"

In their minds its like a grocery saying its okay for a customer to steal bread and toilet paper because they spend so much on other stuff. Thats not the way it works

And in casinos employees minds AP is stealing whether legal or not
mamat
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April 12th, 2017 at 9:36:09 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Even if true that is not the way casinos see it. If u win money cc bj then lose it at craps that is s loss to their bottom line

To them its not "we got his money anyway" to them its "after playing legit one game he stole from us at another"

A friend wins $3K-5K all the time counting cards at BJ, and never gets kicked out. He asked me why other people have such problems. I asked him how much he lost last year on the slots. He said -$60K.

There is sometimes a battle between surveillance/slots and slots/tables departments.

(1) Survelliance tries to get rid of anyone doing "hinky" stuff. Hey, we tracked this lady on six cameras & all she does is run around cashing out slot tickets.

(2) Slots/Tables has a bigger picture, and says don't kick out that lady cashing out slot tickets. She loses $20-200 every visit, and picks up tickets until she goes home. Her sister is a big player. Don't bother her..

Slots also may consider "player's equity" as marketing money, a way to increase overall revenue.

Getting rid of slot bonus hustlers is a game of "whack-a-mole". The one who replaces the one a casino kicks out may be worse, so a casino may be happy with one "resident hustler" who wipes our "players' equity", but returns 90% of it to the casino. Even better if they have someone who gets a disability check every month, gives that all to the casino & wipes our "players' equity", returning 100% of ti to the casino.

Don't touch that BJ counter. unless she's winning more than $10K. She loses a ton of money on baccarat.
Dobrij
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April 14th, 2017 at 3:47:25 AM permalink
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