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December 6th, 2011 at 11:57:21 AM permalink
jinxkaiser
Member since: Dec 6, 2011
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Hello,
I find 100-play to be more exciting than single play. Assuming the same pay tables are used, is there a severe disadvantage to playing 100-play machines? Referring specifically to full pay deuces wild.
Thanks!
David
December 6th, 2011 at 12:19:52 PM permalink
rdw4potus
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I also enjoy 100 play machines. The only disadvantage that I've found is that they often take a bigger bankroll per session. 100 lines * 5 bets per play * $.05/bet is 5 times more than 1 play * 5 bets per play * $1/bet...
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December 6th, 2011 at 12:33:40 PM permalink
aluisio
Member since: Sep 15, 2010
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No disadvantage in my point of view. As said you will be running much more money and much faster than single play. You will probably be loosing money faster. Have you ever heard of any full pay deuces wild machine that allows 100x play?
No bounce, no play.
December 6th, 2011 at 12:57:30 PM permalink
boymimbo
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Well, your variance will be lower. For example, when you get 4 to a royal -- say 10-J-Q-A (with a low offsuit as the fifth card), in any hand, playing one hand, you have a 47:1 chance of pulling the royal, a 7:47 chance of pulling a flush, a 3:47 chance of pulling a straight, and a 4:47 chance of pulling a wild royal.

The expected value (max bet) therefore is 4000*1/47 + 15*7/47 + 10*3/47 + 125*4/47 - 5*32/47 = 95.122. This is the case if the pay table is the same no matter how many hands are played.

On 100 hands (max bet), your expected value is 9512.22, but the likelihood of you ending losing 500 units is practically zero. At the same time the likelihood of you hitting 400,000 credits is also zero. Your variance is therefore much lower.

One hundred hands offers a "smoother" game. Hitting a royal on a single pay $1 machine will yield you $4,000. Drawing a royal on a 100 play $.01 machine will yield you $40. You're playing with the same bet amount, but you are more likely to get nickeled and dimed out of existence.
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December 6th, 2011 at 1:03:36 PM permalink
jinxkaiser
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@Aluisio: Yes, I live in Colorado and play on several casinos in Blackhawk. I've also found a couple at Excalibur in Vegas...
December 6th, 2011 at 1:06:01 PM permalink
jinxkaiser
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Quote: boymimbo
Well, your variance will be lower. For example, when you get 4 to a royal -- say 10-J-Q-A (with a low offsuit as the fifth card), in any hand, playing one hand, you have a 47:1 chance of pulling the royal, a 7:47 chance of pulling a flush, a 3:47 chance of pulling a straight, and a 4:47 chance of pulling a wild royal.

The expected value (max bet) therefore is 4000*1/47 + 15*7/47 + 10*3/47 + 125*4/47 - 5*32/47 = 95.122. This is the case if the pay table is the same no matter how many hands are played.

On 100 hands (max bet), your expected value is 9512.22, but the likelihood of you ending losing 500 units is practically zero. At the same time the likelihood of you hitting 400,000 credits is also zero. Your variance is therefore much lower.

One hundred hands offers a "smoother" game. Hitting a royal on a single pay $1 machine will yield you $4,000. Drawing a royal on a 100 play $.01 machine will yield you $40. You're playing with the same bet amount, but you are more likely to get nickeled and dimed out of existence.


That's exactly the explanation I was looking for and it makes perfect sense! Thanks boymimbo!
December 6th, 2011 at 1:27:07 PM permalink
fremont4ever
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If you somehow find 100x FPDW, please let me know. If any exist anywhere near Las Vegas, I would expect the line for them to be out the door.
December 6th, 2011 at 1:31:34 PM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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I rarely play slots at all, but when I do, its poker on the 100-play machine. Or, at the very least, 50-play.

Quote: boymimbo
Well, your variance will be lower. For example, when you get 4 to a royal -- say 10-J-Q-A (with a low offsuit as the fifth card), in any hand, playing one hand, you have a 47:1 chance of pulling the royal, a 7:47 chance of pulling a flush, a 3:47 chance of pulling a straight, and a 4:47 chance of pulling a wild royal.
While in this scenario getting a Royal is nice, it's hardly expected.

However, with the 7:47 chance of a flush means on a 100-play, I should see about 14 or 15 flushes after the draw. Similarly, the 3:47 for a straight, means I should see 6 or 7 straights, etc.

It's fun to see the math - as well as deviations - show up so vividly on the 100-play machine.

(Of course, while in a casino, I can only do the mental math when I'm drawing only one card.)
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December 6th, 2011 at 1:52:08 PM permalink
jinxkaiser
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Quote: fremont4ever
If you somehow find 100x FPDW, please let me know. If any exist anywhere near Las Vegas, I would expect the line for them to be out the door.


Two of them at Excalibur...
December 6th, 2011 at 2:07:36 PM permalink
Ibeatyouraces
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I had 4 to a royal only once playing all 100 lines on 9/6 JoB and ended up with 3 royals.
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