Why is ultimate X strategy different from normal strategy? Why is HE different as well?

I don't understand why ultimate X strategy is different from normal strategy. And why HE is even different. I don't get why 8/6 ultimate X JOB is about as good as 9/6 JOB. Can someone explain (like i'm 5)?

Because it also takes into account the multipliers you'd get on the next round. A flush in regular JOB pays 30 credits and that's it. In UX, it pays 30 credits and a 10x (or whatever it is) multiplier on the next round.

More than that... when you are faced with a situation such as a deal of AAQQx when you're playing one of the bonus games, such as DDB or TDB, the amount of the current multipliers affects your decision as well. Turns out for DDB, if the sum of your multipliers is greater than 15, you just keep AA, otherwise, if less, you keep AAQQ.

In this case, it shows that sometimes, if the multipliers are large enough on the current hand, the payback for current hand can overwhelm the payback on future hands with a larger multiplier if you went a different route.

Hope that makes sense... I'm working through this time of analysis myself, at the moment.

What if you switch between 10 coin and 5 coin every other hand, that way you don't have to deal with difficult decisions. Would you still have the same HE?

You will still have the "difficult" decision on the hands where you bet 10 coins, because you have to consider the resulting multiplier on the next hand. This would be a very bad way to play.

Playing 5 coin is a poor choice, unless you're only vulturing. The pay tables on UX are inferior to "regular" VP because the multipliers add EV.

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Playing 5 coin is a poor choice, unless you're only vulturing. The pay tables on UX are inferior to "regular" VP because the multipliers add EV.

while the multipliers add a bit of EV.... the pay tables are not necessarily inferior.

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while the multipliers add a bit of EV.... the pay tables are not necessarily inferior.

They are where I play. Really poor, especially in the lower denoms, down in the 96% range.

rsanctuary said hopping between 10 and 5 coin bets would be a very bad way to play. However, this is not the case.*

If it's a 96% base paytable and it adds an extra 1% when betting 10 coins (it's usually less than 1%, but just to make it easy), if you switch back n forth, it doesn't really matter, as you'll be averaging about 96.5% payback.

However, that doesn't take into account the fact you're playing twice as much and only getting an extra 1% back. Then again, are you looking at it in terms of coin in or # of hands?

Playing 100 hands on $1 10-play (make the math easy), you're looking at:

- Always bet 5 coins/line: $50 * 100 = $5,000 in action. $5,000 * -0.04 = -$200 EV
- Switch between 5 or 10 coins/line: $75*100 = $7,500 in action. $50*50*-0.04 + $100*50*-0.03 = -$250 EV
- Always playing 10 coins/line: $100*$100 = $10,000 in action. $10,000 * -0.03 = -$300 EV


And if switching between 5 coins and 10 coins every other game is going to slow you down significantly, which it likely will, then it makes it that much better (in a way), especially if you're playing sh** paytable games. You'll play longer with less money and get more free drinks and whatnot....but of course, not necessarily as fun since you're obviously playing slower.

I just prefer someone else to bet the 10 and leave the betting 5 to me. 😁

What is "HE" that is referred to? It's late, I'm tired and don't feel like thinking at the moment so please don't bash me too hard LOL

thanks

RD

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What is "HE" that is referred to? It's late, I'm tired and don't feel like thinking at the moment so please don't bash me too hard LOL

thanks

RD

HE is house edge.

I have no idea how to post a new thread or where to ask this question but I'll try it here.

My game of choice is Ultimate X Ten Play Double Double Bonus Poker. I have been referencing the Wizard of Odds video poker hand analyzer to check on various expected values but I suspect the analyzer does not take into account the value of next hand multipliers. Does a hand analyzer exist specifically for Ultimate X?

Also as as an unrelated additional question what casinos in Vegas have the best pay tables for Ultimate X?

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I have no idea how to post a new thread or where to ask this question but I'll try it here.

My game of choice is Ultimate X Ten Play Double Double Bonus Poker. I have been referencing the Wizard of Odds video poker hand analyzer to check on various expected values but I suspect the analyzer does not take into account the value of next hand multipliers. Does a hand analyzer exist specifically for Ultimate X?

Try surfing over to perfectplayllc.com if you have an Android/Google or Amazon device.

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Also as as an unrelated additional question what casinos in Vegas have the best pay tables for Ultimate X?

South Point.