A few questions on VP scouting

Appreciate any answers/feedback

#1 So regarding VPF2, for casinos that are actively monitored will the top return game eventually make it on there or do people have the habit of keeping certain machines on the down low ? Casino inventory obviously changes over time so I am not referring to out of date info but rather if games are ever purposely not listed for being too limited/juicy.

#2 Are banks of machines reliably the same paytables nowadays ? From what I understand it used to be that each machine required more manual work to setup so occasionally there would be abnormalities in paytables but modern tech allows you easily setup cloned machines quickly and easily. So that pretty much ended mistakes on paytables ? I am also curious if casinos ever purposefully put a single machine on a different paytable in the same bank ? I have seen this once in a weird high limit room but never on the normal casino floor.

#3 I haven't visited enough casinos to confirm if this a nationwide trend but it seems to me that if a casino has the same game on multiple cabinets, the older/crappier cabinets will have full pay while the nice new cabinets will have a lower paytables.

I guess it depends on the casino, but I've found vp2free to be lacking in accuracy for many places. I've been able to find more 9/6 machines in AC than what they have listed.

For your other question, I've also found banks of 8/5 or worse with higher payouts mixed in. But I don't think it has much to do with brand, but casino management.

The higher payback machines are almost always worth less player card points than other machines, so if they are labeled as such it can make it easier to spot the 9/6 type payout games..

1. As far as I know, sometimes. But the people who scout for VPF strike me as the, "Ooooh, you can do 250 coin in on the second Tuesday of every month on 5c this 99.9998% game!" type of APs......so they probably don't have any incentive or a clue why hiding good games from VPF is a good idea. But they should do more of that.

2. In my experience, generally they're the same paytable. Sometimes one will be out of whack though.

3. No idea.

I wonder a similar thing about slots when most machines require all lines played, but still few allow a lowered line bet, but some of the same nearby do not.

In Bob Dancers class ,he said you really should check all the games on a machine. Don't see a 8-5 JOB and assume all the games are bad, nor should you see a 9-6 and assume all the games will be good. A multigame machine might have one very playable game and the rest garbage and or vice versa.

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In Bob Dancers class ,he said you really should check all the games on a machine. Don't see a 8-5 JOB and assume all the games are bad, nor should you see a 9-6 and assume all the games will be good. A multigame machine might have one very playable game and the rest garbage and or vice versa.

The 9/6 JoB games here have 8/5 DDB on them. At the back of the room are a few machines that have 9/5 DDB. But the JoB on these is also 9/5. All based on 25¢

vpfree2 lists 12 machines with the 25¢-$1 9/6 JoB and NSUD But there are actually 16.

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#2 Are banks of machines reliably the same paytables nowadays?

One casino downgraded it's VP across the whole casino a few months ago, except for a few machines in the middle of one bank. I think it was deliberate (since all games on those few machines are high payback)

There are plenty of mistakes; e.g. bank of 16-20 Jacks or better. All 7/5 except one 9/6 which looks identical to the rest (and the rest of the games on that one machine are identical the the other 16).

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#3 I haven't visited enough casinos to confirm if this a nationwide trend but it seems to me that if a casino has the same game on multiple cabinets, the older/crappier cabinets will have full pay while the nice new cabinets will have a lower paytables.

Depends on whether a casino is raising or lowering the paybacks.

Look out for Royal Flush & Straight Flush anomalies; e.g. 800:1 royals on any coin bet, Royals higher than 800:1, Straight Flush higher/lower than 50:1.

Beware of fake 9/6 JoB where the royal pays 500/1000/1500/2000/2500 per coin.

Those are really helpful paytable tips that I didn't know about. I think I am going to start doing more detailed paytable notes of marking the hand rank with exact payout. Using shorthand its easy to miss something or get confused.

Thanks for this info.

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1. As far as I know, sometimes. But the people who scout for VPF strike me as the, "Ooooh, you can do 250 coin in on the second Tuesday of every month on 5c this 99.9998% game!" type of they probably don't have any incentive or a clue why hiding good games from VPF is a good idea. But they should do more of that.

Those of you who think having the vpfree2 database is a bad idea should click on Contact Us there and let them know why. That will go directly to the site owner (I've written to him before). Maybe if enough people do this, you may get your wish.