LostWages
LostWages
Joined: May 6, 2013
  • Threads: 36
  • Posts: 347
April 19th, 2017 at 7:04:27 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

. . . DB/DDB/etc are games where you play for the higher payoffs specifically, which of course will bring more of a "feast or famine" variance if you hit or don't hit one of the bigger pays . . .

Aha! Application of the "long run" concept . . . Makes sense...

Quote: AxelWolf

Play a few hundred hands each on 9/6 and then on 10/7/5 with a VP trainer and see how you do. Once some people start playing double bonus and other types of VP they tend to get bored playing regular JOB after that.

I will certainly bear down and do a few hundred hands each on JoB 9/6 and then DB 10/7 before my 3rd trip to Las Vegas! That is a great suggestion, thanks!

Quote: IBYA

Speaking of straight flushes on JoB, I had three today, two of them dealt! Q high in clubs and K high in spades.

Gosh durn, and straight flushes entitle you to a scratcher's card!

Quote: RS

I just use JOB strategy whenever I play DB or DDB and figure it'll all work out. :-)

Hey, I read the spoiler, no worries!

It looks like everyone is in agreement (Romes, AxelWolf, RS, probably IBYA) that DB strategy is more difficult than it appears to be. It took me my first 3 years playing VP to appreciate what a "penalty" card was in playing Deuces Wild. Now I have reverse penalties to consider? Aaaaaargh!

I guess the improved ER% (on the 3 specific games at MSS) after adding 9 coins to the VP analyzer table is a negligible amount - no one even sneezed at the numbers. Too small, huh?

For me, having a .55% point edge on DB 10/7 won't take the place of learning perfect DB strategy, but it will help me in the "long run" (so there!).

I used to ONLY wanna play Deuces Wild. No one even mentioned DW in passing. Does JoB and DB have better payoffs than DW?

The DB strategy I'm trying to perfect is from the Wiz:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/double-bonus/10-7/

In addition to the 34 strategy steps, the Wiz also provides a list of 81 "conflict hands". I can put these on a "strategy card" and bring to the machine, right?

I have at least 6-9 months before my next trip, so I'll take on all the suggestions, tips, recommendations, and whatever you feel like showering on me.

Before my next trip -- as recommended by AxelWolf -- I'll first play a few hundred hands of each JoB 9/6 and DB 10/7, and take it from there. I'll re-assess my "feel" or preference for one game or the other.

In all likelihood, we will again stay at MSS. The more I review the pictures,



the more I like Boar Head's Bar, which has all the pressure points for MY needs: close to restroom, fast & good service, get a Red Bull or DOUBLE shot of Bailey's & coffee, much much less smoke than the Cal or other areas of the casino, relatively more secluded and less noisy, TVs, 777 around the corner for a meal or snack, room to just sit & sip and get on my iPhone , easy for wifey to find me . . Garden Court Buffet around the other corner . . . at the extreme opposite ends of the bar, there is a small round table. When not used by the cocktail waitresses, I use it to stand up straight and stretch my legs . . . I'm all in!
Eat real food . . . and you won't need medicine (or a lot less!)
rsactuary
rsactuary
Joined: Sep 6, 2014
  • Threads: 6
  • Posts: 666
Thanks for this post from:
LostWages
April 19th, 2017 at 7:30:04 PM permalink
I love MSS. I've stayed there nearly every trip to Vegas for the past 17+ years. Next trip is in three weeks.
AxelWolf
AxelWolf
Joined: Oct 10, 2012
  • Threads: 113
  • Posts: 12213
April 19th, 2017 at 8:27:23 PM permalink
Quote: LostWages

. It took me my first 3 years playing VP to appreciate what a "penalty" card was in playing Deuces Wild. Now I have reverse penalties to consider? Aaaaaargh!

Run this hand on FPDW. A K 2 ss with a 4 and 3. Run the same A K 2 ss with a 7 8 off. Do various combinations of that. You will see the correct hold will change depending on the deck composition.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ibeatyouraces
Ibeatyouraces
Joined: Jan 12, 2010
  • Threads: 62
  • Posts: 10164
April 19th, 2017 at 8:37:35 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: LostWages

. It took me my first 3 years playing VP to appreciate what a "penalty" card was in playing Deuces Wild. Now I have reverse penalties to consider? Aaaaaargh!

Run this hand on FPDW. A K 2 ss with a 4 and 3. Run the same A K 2 ss with a 7 8 off. Do various combinations of that. You will see the correct hold will change depending on the deck composition.


Just did. 1st hand hold just the 2. 2nd hand hold 2AK.

And to show the differences in DW for LW, in NSUD, under either scenario, you hold 2AK
LostWages
LostWages
Joined: May 6, 2013
  • Threads: 36
  • Posts: 347
April 20th, 2017 at 1:03:14 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Run this hand on FPDW. A K 2 ss with a 4 and 3. Run the same A K 2 ss with a 7 8 off. Do various combinations of that. You will see the correct hold will change depending on the deck composition.

Thanks for the exercise, let me work on it. LW
Eat real food . . . and you won't need medicine (or a lot less!)
LostWages
LostWages
Joined: May 6, 2013
  • Threads: 36
  • Posts: 347
April 20th, 2017 at 1:45:57 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

I love MSS. I've stayed there nearly every trip to Vegas for the past 17+ years. Next trip is in three weeks.

Well, that makes at least 2 of us! I'm sure there's more. As a newer visitor, I wanted to contribute to the WoV forum, so I've posted these entries about the MSS. Nothing earth-shattering, just wanted to share and take the chance to thank you for your postings!

- About dining: http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/las-vegas-casinos/boyd-gaming-casinos/137-restaurants/2/#post586010

- About the hotel: http://wizardofvegas.com/hotels/main-street-station/

- Newer interactive games: http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/28665-crazy-money-interactive-3-d-game/#post586557

You already know about "How to select a VP game offering the best returns in the "long run".
Eat real food . . . and you won't need medicine (or a lot less!)

  • Jump to: