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March 6th, 2017 at 3:50:16 PM permalink
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I was shocked to see that the feature raises the payback percentage by more than 1% on some paytables.



Yes, that was a bit unlike IGT. With many games the feature return is only 0.1% or so greater than the base game return. However, I think they are right to bump it up more if a different strategy is involved, which is the case here. I estimate the cost of errors due to the feature to cost the player over 1%. It seems sporting to give the player a better value for making a bigger bet.
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March 6th, 2017 at 4:22:19 PM permalink
I haven't played it and I'm at a loss of how it works.

To be clear, you get the magic cards AFTER you hit draw, correct? If you hold 2 cards, you're then dealt 3 more. With your 5 card hand and 2 MC's, 2 of the cards will be replaced with the best cards? Or do you hold 2 cards, have 2 magic cards, and only get dealt 1 new card?

If that's the case, I'd imagine you'd be more "aggressive" in many hands. Most likely break up FH and hold 222/333/444 instead.
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March 6th, 2017 at 4:51:00 PM permalink
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I haven't played it and I'm at a loss of how it works.

To the best of my knowledge, yes, you get the Magic Cards AFTER you hit draw.

Example: With your 5 card hand incl 2 MCs, if you hold 2 cards, your 5th card will be replaced by the best match. Sadly, if you held Ah-Kh-MC-MC, and the draw makes your 5th card a Ks, the best hand would be 2 more Ks, and you lose the RF possibility.

Others with more experience will offer other views.

For a TOURNAMENT or CONTEST, I'm guessing that you'd modify the optimum strategy to score high.

So for a JoB game, I would favor 2 to a RF vs pair of 10s.

I welcome your views or that from others.

I played 2 rounds so far, for a measly 9,000+ and 7,000+.

Current leader is glitzy queen with 89,000+ on a single session.

Ouch!

EDIT: BTW, I use an iPad to play the Videopoker.com Magic Deal Tournament. Are iPad users at the mercy of "the server connection"? On 3 occasions I got kicked out in the middle of a session - luckily there were no MCs involved and the hand was not likely to develop into anything great. Or is there something I should try to do, like play at a specifi time (pls specify time zone, as I'm on Hawaii time)

For strategy, I posted above "So for a JoB game, I would favor 2 to a RF vs pair of 10s." That is MY version of an aggressive but modified optimum strategy. Any comments or suggestions?

The Magic Deal tournament currently offers 7 games:


Does anyone know if 1 of the 7 games has a more positive EV than the other 6? Could you rank them from best EV to worse? Or is the game you select purely a personal preference?
Last edited by: LostWages on Mar 6, 2017
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March 6th, 2017 at 9:18:49 PM permalink
Re: games. The regular magic deal offers more games, and also in 3, 5, or 10 hand modes. This seems to be stripped down for the tournament.

The more I play this game, the more I like it. Here's a really interesting hand just now.

I was dealt KH,KD, M M M. I decided I had to throw away one king and try for a royal, even though that was a sure $1000 hold to keep the pair. Decide for yourself whether you would do that before you look at the result; I haven't looked at the Wizard's analysis yet, so I don't know if it was correct to do it, or whether I'd have the guts to do it on real money.





Note also, it appears that had I kept the diamond king instead, I would have had no royals.
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March 6th, 2017 at 9:41:12 PM permalink
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Re: games. The regular magic deal offers more games, and also in 3, 5, or 10 hand modes. This seems to be stripped down for the tournament.

The more I play this game, the more I like it. Here's a really interesting hand just now.

I was dealt KH,KD, M M M. I decided I had to throw away one king and try for a royal, even though that was a sure $1000 hold to keep the pair. Decide for yourself whether you would do that before you look at the result; I haven't looked at the Wizard's analysis yet, so I don't know if it was correct to do it, or whether I'd have the guts to do it on real money.





Note also, it appears that had I kept the diamond king instead, I would have had no royals.



Considering the rules of the game, you would make a huge mistake if you held KK, even in DDB!!! When you you have a royal draw with MMM you have four cards where you can convert the royal, so it's about 4 times as strong as a normal Royal draw.

MMM is huge, especially in the big quad games since you're guaranteed at least a quad.

Hell I broke this earlier tonight:



Result:


But 3 times the typical royal draw makes it worth it in theory. This is a real interesting and very swingy game.
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March 6th, 2017 at 10:31:15 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I was dealt KH,KD, M M M. I decided I had to throw away one king and try for a royal, even though that was a sure $1000 hold to keep the pair. Decide for yourself whether you would do that before you look at the result; I haven't looked at the Wizard's analysis yet, so I don't know if it was correct to do it, or whether I'd have the guts to do it on real money.

BBB - For a $ game, I would have kept the Kh-Kd-M-M-M because I would treat it like a PAT hand - money in the pocket. For a no-$ game, I might have toyed with the idea of discarding a K to go for a mixed RF.

I love your results!

I read Tring's reply too, and I'll have to re-read it again to examine why it would be a bad choice to keep the Kh-Kd-M-M-M. Need to sit on it for a while.

Thanks for your graphic reply!
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March 7th, 2017 at 12:30:03 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Re: games. The regular magic deal offers more games, and also in 3, 5, or 10 hand modes. This seems to be stripped down for the tournament.

Ok, babs & gang, here's Murphy's Law at work.

I finally got dealt 2 As + 3 + 2 MCs = 4As + 3 or 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 credits.

Of course, before the ssssllllloooooooow servers could finish resolving my total, I get kicked out of the system. The server only got up to 3,000 and then just gave up. Aaaaaargh!! <Can you hear me, now?>

I sent a plea E-mail to the Videopoker.com folks, but I know they'll probably say "Too bad, so sad" or words to that effect. Oh well, c'est la vie, right? My 1/2 filled cup says: "Good thing you weren't playing for real money!"

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March 7th, 2017 at 12:44:22 AM permalink
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BBB - For a $ game, I would have kept the Kh-Kd-M-M-M because I would treat it like a PAT hand - money in the pocket. For a no-$ game, I might have toyed with the idea of discarding a K to go for a mixed RF.



This is why casinos can offer +EV games and still make money.
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March 7th, 2017 at 1:25:40 AM permalink
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Ok, babs & gang, here's Murphy's Law at work.

I finally got dealt 2 As + 3 + 2 MCs = 4As + 3 or 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 credits.

Of course, before the ssssllllloooooooow servers could finish resolving my total, I get kicked out of the system. The server only got up to 3,000 and then just gave up. Aaaaaargh!! <Can you hear me, now?>

I sent a plea E-mail to the Videopoker.com folks, but I know they'll probably say "Too bad, so sad" or words to that effect. Oh well, c'est la vie, right? My 1/2 filled cup says: "Good thing you weren't playing for real money!"



Did you try to continue the session after a reloading? Did it not count the 20k? You'd think they would have registered it on their end.

The good news is that 20k isn't nearly close enough to winning anything of worth. Probably need more than 60k by the end of the week. Last contest, you needed more than 60k to win money. It will probably be higher this time.
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March 7th, 2017 at 1:31:55 AM permalink
Shagatola in the house @ 15,545.

Nothing like hitting dealt natural four 5's (WITHOUT MAGIC CARDS, B***ARD MACHINE!!!!) and AWAK a few times (WITHOUT MAGIC CARDS). This game is gaffed to all hell, I swear....


Plz don't make me watch another stupid butter commercial. Chipotle commercial, yes please. Butter -- no thanks.
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