JB
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July 2nd, 2016 at 10:43:58 AM permalink
Quote: pyiddy

Thank You. Unfortunately I made a serious error, The Wild Royal is 20 not 25 on the game I saw yesterday. I suspect all six machines in this bank are that. I will probably check all six machines the next time I am there.


My calculations reflect the 20-for-1 Wild Royal.
pyiddy
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July 2nd, 2016 at 10:44:34 AM permalink
Sorry I did not notice that you already corrected it! Great! Sadly this game is not good enough to be included in the vpfree2 database.
GaryJKoehler
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July 2nd, 2016 at 12:41:22 PM permalink
Quote: JB

Hand Prize in Coins Combinations Probability Return
Natural Royal Flush 4,000 35,669,481 0.000021 0.014316
Four Aces w/2,3,4 2,000 99,046,149 0.000060 0.019876
Four 3s,4s w/A,2,3,4 1,000 148,215,056 0.000089 0.014871
Four Aces 1,000 201,066,761 0.000121 0.020174
Four Deuces 1,000 316,437,516 0.000190 0.031750
Four 3s,4s 500 448,691,121 0.000270 0.022510
Four 5s thru Ks 250 2,458,483,462 0.001480 0.061668
Wild Royal Flush 100 2,854,239,388 0.001718 0.028638
Five of a Kind 60 4,543,337,474 0.002735 0.027351
Straight Flush 50 8,743,692,487 0.005264 0.043865
Four of a Kind 20 103,618,305,434 0.062379 0.207931
Full House 20 34,851,655,759 0.020981 0.069937
Flush 15 33,236,557,398 0.020009 0.050022
Straight 10 83,964,334,210 0.050547 0.084246
Three of a Kind 6 477,423,963,017 0.287414 0.287414
All Other 0 908,158,848,387 0.546721 0.000000
Totals 1,661,102,543,100 1.000000 0.984567


Out of intellectual curiosity, comparing our two probability tables, I see we only differ significantly in our results on "Four 3s,4s w/A,2,3,4" and "Four 3s,4s". I get very close to your results when I change the "Four 3s,4s w/A,2,3,4" to just the w/2,3,4 kickers instead of w/A,2,3,4. I am probably missing something, and neither result will make a difference for pyiddy, but I thought I should pursue this for my sanity.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 12:46:52 PM permalink
Quote: GaryJKoehler

Out of intellectual curiosity, comparing our two probability tables, I see we only differ significantly in our results on "Four 3s,4s w/A,2,3,4" and "Four 3s,4s". I get very close to your results when I change the "Four 3s,4s w/A,2,3,4" to just the w/2,3,4 kickers instead of w/A,2,3,4. I am probably missing something, and neither result will make a difference for pyiddy, but I thought I should pursue this for my sanity.


Ah, you just reminded me of something that I thought of as I was writing the hand-scoring code, but neglected to implement it when I got the part where it was needed: the special case of an Ace kicker with four 3s or 4s (since I treat Aces as high in my code).

Fixing that, my results agree with yours. I'll remove my table since it's now redundant.
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July 2nd, 2016 at 1:04:26 PM permalink
Thanks!
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July 2nd, 2016 at 1:19:13 PM permalink
Quote: vpplayer2016

What were the paytables for Fast Fours?



I played the unit in question back in May. I want to say that Bonus was 6/5 and DDB was 8/5, with the rest of the paytable the same as the WOO page. This would lead Bonus to be about 98.7% and DDB about 98.5%.

The best game I saw on there was 9/6 Triple Triple Bonus (99.75%). The game ate me alive in all the variants I tried though. Lol

Thanks JB and Gary for looking at this previously unanalyzed game!
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July 4th, 2016 at 6:43:03 AM permalink
Slightly off topic.

Tringlomane: You are absolutely right in that 9-6 TTB is the highest EV game on those six machines (With huge variance!)
Note: Other units on both the Majestic Star (6 machines) and the Majestic Star 2 (8 machines) have 9-5 Triple Bonus Plus (99.80%).
Those 14 machines are also 25c/50c/$1. Six of those units are the ones closer to the bar next to the unit(s) you played.
My mom and I played the two units in non-smoking last Friday. (I was lucky enough to catch quad aces for a win and my mom had a small win too.
We lost a small amount on the machines we are talking about in this thread.)
Sadly, comps are based on theo and those machines are basically rated as zero so still below 100% EV.
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April 20th, 2017 at 4:57:48 PM permalink
Sorry to be late to the party. Last week I paid a quick visit to the Oneida casino in Green Bay, WI. They had this video poker game there. Here is a picture of the pay table.


Click on image for a larger version.

Note how a three of a kind pays 6 in the far right column. The right column shows the win for six coins bet.

Here is my return table for the pay table above:

Hand Pays Combinations Probability Return
Natural royal flush 800 427,485,648 0.000021 0.014297
Four deuces 200 4,048,556,640 0.000203 0.033851
Natural four aces + 2-4 400 1,189,302,084 0.000060 0.019888
Natural four 3s,4s + A-4 200 2,368,472,112 0.000119 0.019803
Natural four aces + 5-K 200 2,413,175,652 0.000121 0.020177
Natural four 3s,4s + 5-K 100 4,796,945,376 0.000241 0.020054
Natural four 5s-Ks 50 29,516,552,952 0.001481 0.061699
Wild royal flush 20 36,039,849,216 0.001808 0.030134
Five of a kind 10 55,621,154,280 0.002790 0.023253
Straight flush 8 87,944,973,252 0.004412 0.029413
Four of a kind 4 1,260,088,801,632 0.063215 0.210718
Full house 4 419,156,681,640 0.021028 0.070093
Flush 3 387,343,207,644 0.019432 0.048580
Straight 2 998,148,529,644 0.050075 0.083458
Three of a kind 1.2 5,756,005,553,028 0.288764 0.288764
Nothing 0 10,888,121,276,400 0.546230 0.000000
Total 0 19,933,230,517,200 1.000000 0.974184


Next, here is my return for the "Gary Kohler" pay table mentioned earlier in this thread.


Event Pays Combinations Probability Return
Natural royal flush 800 427,872,648 0.000021 0.014310
Four deuces 200 3,797,325,012 0.000191 0.031750
Natural four aces + 2-4 400 1,188,572,208 0.000060 0.019876
Natural four 3s,4s + A-4 200 2,366,261,508 0.000119 0.019785
Natural four aces + 5-K 200 2,412,849,792 0.000121 0.020174
Natural four 3s,4s + 5-K 100 4,796,746,776 0.000241 0.020053
Natural four 5s-Ks 50 29,501,794,836 0.001480 0.061668
Wild royal flush 20 34,245,815,520 0.001718 0.028634
Five of a kind 12 54,520,790,928 0.002735 0.027352
Straight flush 10 104,922,000,504 0.005264 0.043864
Four of a kind 4 1,243,447,119,048 0.062381 0.207935
Full house 4 418,224,207,972 0.020981 0.069938
Flush 3 398,817,540,528 0.020008 0.050019
Straight 2 1,007,544,366,888 0.050546 0.084243
Three of a kind 1.2 5,729,243,727,792 0.287422 0.287422
Nothing 0 10,897,773,525,240 0.546714 0.000000
Total 19,933,230,517,200 1.000000 0.987024


In addition, I have a new page on the game at my Odds site. I welcome all comments on it.
Last edited by: Wizard on Apr 20, 2017
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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April 20th, 2017 at 8:37:58 PM permalink
Wiz
I live ten minutes from oneidas casino and play this game once in awhile. Just curious what brought you to Green Bay?
PlayYourCardsRight
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April 20th, 2017 at 9:06:42 PM permalink
I'm two hours away and this is one of my favorite games. Hot 4 drives a couple weeks ago.

Why didn't you tell us you were visiting?

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