Red Rock - Fastest Game to get to $100K Coin In?
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Quote: WizardofnothingEven if you find a 100 play machine with a good pay table the offer itself is worthless if you are strictly playing for that offer , when you take the variance into account even on a jacks it Better paytable it's not really worth playing it
OK, thanks. It's essentially 1% back. I thought that was pretty strong for VP, as a I consistently hear people talking about edges on VP of like 0.2% etc. I guess you guys have better edges than I thought if 1% is too small to play.
Not knocking the promotion just saying it's not very profitable but if you are just looking at a slightly plus ev game then go for it- just saying that the result is going to depend on variance as its not something they are going to offer week in and week out
Quote: IbeatyouracesAlso, are their "good games" (FPDW, etc.) excluded?
I don't think anything is excluded.
I know they have a bubble craps machine there with double odds, which would make it reasonable for this, with high limits and the ability to make offsetting bets, but if I recall correctly they have a sign on it saying that it has reduced points earning on it. Anyone know what it takes to earn a point on that?
Quote: cwazyI don't think anything is excluded.
I know they have a bubble craps machine there with double odds, which would make it reasonable for this, with high limits and the ability to make offsetting bets, but if I recall correctly they have a sign on it saying that it has reduced points earning on it. Anyone know what it takes to earn a point on that?
The better VP is $4 per point, rather than the usual $1 per point. If that's the case on bubble craps, this isn't an advantage play; even $2 per point would make it no longer an advantage play.
If you are unfamiliar with VP, I would discourage you from trying to play 100k points in three days with a very thin edge. Last I checked, everything at Red Rock better than 99.4% was at most $5/hand. As a beginner it is not reasonable to try to play 20000 hands in three days. If you play higher stakes and settle for a 0.2-0.4% edge, you're probably not actually playing with an advantage, because your error rate (even playing slowly and consulting a strategy card) will be higher than that. (If you think that isn't the case, spend several hours playing on a trainer - without breaks - to test yourself first. Frugal Video Poker is a good free trainer that will give your error rate.) Also be prepared for five-figure swings at those stakes.
Overall it's probably a bad idea.
Edit. Just saw the 3 day trip part. That might make it tougher.
No it's not a real good AP play, but i would not discount it. It all depends on your Bankroll and risk tolerance. People come to Vegas and put 100k in on -EV stuff, so if you enjoy gambling it's not a bad deal. I don't see anything wrong with doin it. Can you get a better deal some place else? Sure, but you need to find that stuff and this one is staring you in the face. You should get RFB and some future good offers out of it.Quote: cwazyI got an offer from Red Rock, saying that they will give me $1000 freeplay for earning 100,000 points. I believe they give 1 point for $1 coin-in, so I need $100,000 coin in. I have very little experience with video poker and would likely play very slowly, looking at Bob Dancer strategy cards most of the way. I figure the only way I could even come close to that with reasonable variance on a 3 day trip would be on a 100 Play machine, if the edge on it is less than 1%. Does anybody know what the edge is on their 100-play, or have a suggestion as to what game would be better?
FYI you may be able to talk to a host and get more on top of that. I would not even mention the offer I would just ask him what he would give you extra if you were planning on playin 100k in.
Quote: fivespotThe better VP is $4 per point, rather than the usual $1 per point. If that's the case on bubble craps, this isn't an advantage play; even $2 per point would make it no longer an advantage play.
If you are unfamiliar with VP, I would discourage you from trying to play 100k points in three days with a very thin edge. Last I checked, everything at Red Rock better than 99.4% was at most $5/hand. As a beginner it is not reasonable to try to play 20000 hands in three days. If you play higher stakes and settle for a 0.2-0.4% edge, you're probably not actually playing with an advantage, because your error rate (even playing slowly and consulting a strategy card) will be higher than that. (If you think that isn't the case, spend several hours playing on a trainer - without breaks - to test yourself first. Frugal Video Poker is a good free trainer that will give your error rate.) Also be prepared for five-figure swings at those stakes.
Overall it's probably a bad idea.
Single line -- no way in hell is a $10k swing normal. $5 denom is quite unlikely to lose 10k for 100k coon in. At least on JOB or BP.
Quote: cwazyThanks for all the advice guys. The offer includes $150 freeplay just for coming in, plus 3 free nights, so I think I'll just use that part of it and forget trying to make 100K points lol. There are quite a few other plays around town I wanted to look at anyway, though it's becoming clear that I need to add VP to my repertoire at some point in order to make the most of my casino efforts.
All these guys know what they're talking about, but my opinion is a little different. Here's my 2-cents.
#1. Come back in a year when you know how to play video poker.
#2. Scout.
Quote: cwazyI got an offer from Red Rock, saying that they will give me $1000 freeplay for earning 100,000 points. I believe they give 1 point for $1 coin-in, so I need $100,000 coin in. I have very little experience with video poker and would likely play very slowly, looking at Bob Dancer strategy cards most of the way. I figure the only way I could even come close to that with reasonable variance on a 3 day trip would be on a 100 Play machine, if the edge on it is less than 1%. Does anybody know what the edge is on their 100-play, or have a suggestion as to what game would be better?
With triple points, you only need to put $33,334 through to earn 100k points. At 98% average return ($32,668), you should still be up ~$333 after the $1,000 cash back, and you also get perks for the points.
On the other hand, if things go sideways, you could be down $32k...
Quote: AyecarumbaWith triple points, you only need to put $33,334 through to earn 100k points. At 98% average return ($32,668), you should still be up ~$333 after the $1,000 cash back, and you also get perks for the points.
On the other hand, if things go sideways, you could be down $32k...
Triple points are for comps. Most VP at Station houses is 1 tier point per $.
Quote: AyecarumbaWith triple points, you only need to put $33,334 through to earn 100k points. At 98% average return ($32,668), you should still be up ~$333 after the $1,000 cash back, and you also get perks for the points.
On the other hand, if things go sideways, you could be down $32k...
Would be nice, but with this particular offer, it is based on 'credits' not 'points'. I may be using the incorrect vocabulary with the word 'credits', but long story short: you need 100k coin in.
Quote: Wizardofnothing.... if you play a lower denom like 1 dollar you will be there for 20 hours making it a very small hourly.
Is $30 an hour "small hourly"? I agree he should pass but that's because he's new. But it's a 1% play on NSU for dollars. I'd play for twenty to thirty hours to "earn" a thousand bucks.
I just find there are juicer things out there
Quote: AvincowWould be nice, but with this particular offer, it is based on 'credits' not 'points'. I may be using the incorrect vocabulary with the word 'credits', but long story short: you need 100k coin in.
The original post says "$1000 freeplay for earning 100,000 points." This is something the OP, cwazy, should get clarification on. I'm also wondering if the points/credits required for this offer can be earned playing table games.
http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/red-rock-casino-resort-spa
Visit the vpFREE2 website to find the video poker with better pay tables at Red Rock. The 100% return games will require significantly more coin-in. If I had to choose a game (and had the bankroll for it), I'd probably pick the 99.17% Bonus Poker
in the high limit room with $5-$100 credit multiline machines. I'd actually prefer "NSUD" 99.73% Deuces Wild because DW is my VP game of choice but you're limited to up to only $1 credits ($5 max bet) per hand at Red Rock.Print, study and refer to the Wizard of Odds Bonus Poker strategy.
You can practice playing 99.17% Bonus Poker for free on the Wizard of Odds single-hand video poker or multi-hand video poker games. Hit the "more games" button at the bottom-left corner and select Bonus Poker. Be sure to check the box above the game for "Warn on strategy errors".
Quote: BlueEagleI'd actually prefer "NSUD" 99.73% Deuces Wild because DW is my VP game of choice but you're limited to up to only $1 credits ($5 max bet) per hand at Red Rock.
I don't think so.
Quote: bobbartopI don't think so.
The vpFREE2 webpage linked above shows only 25¢, 50¢, $1 credits for NSUD. If you know differently, please submit corrections to vpFREE2.
Quote: BlueEagleThe vpFREE2 webpage linked above shows only 25¢, 50¢, $1 credits for NSUD. If you know differently, please submit corrections to vpFREE2.
Maybe I just misunderstood what you were saying. It's dollar NSU, which is five base points a hand.
Quote: cwazyI don't think anything is excluded.
I know they have a bubble craps machine there with double odds, which would make it reasonable for this, with high limits and the ability to make offsetting bets, but if I recall correctly they have a sign on it saying that it has reduced points earning on it. Anyone know what it takes to earn a point on that?
The last time I looked at the Red Rock video craps, the sign said no points. That was a while ago. Did they bring points back on it?
In addition to your $1k, you would also earn 0.3% cash back on any normal point game unless this is in replacement of that.
Quote: bobbartopMaybe I just misunderstood what you were saying. It's dollar NSU, which is five base points a hand.
I see now how you got confused. The single-line machine lets you bet up to 5 credits at up to $1 denomination per credit. I wasn't implying that a $5 max bet would earn 1 credit, rather the highest denomination per machine credit is $1. Therefore, the max bet per hand would be $5.
Stations casinos gives 1 point per $1 coin-in unless you activate the 3x multiplier at the kiosk or on the mobile app. Platinum status (40K credits) and above members don't have to activate multipliers.
Stations casinos gives 1 status credit per $1 coin-in for video poker.
Credit earn rate will vary and all point multipliers are excluded on 100% payback video poker machines.
