video poker can be a real mind fluck
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So far this year I'm at about 70k hands. 14 quad deuces and still zero royals. I'm down 350 for the ytd. This is 25c fpdw.
HOWEVER, I've dumped about 1k in 50c and dollar db or ddb. Also full pay
so in just 25c fpdw I'm actually ahead.
While being 4.3 rf's below expectation. I think the writing on the wall is easy. Stick to fpdw. Don't try to score at 50c or dollar to get even for a session.
But 4.5 rf's down sure screws with the head.
Overall, just for DW, what's your EV and what's your actual?
Are you playing proper strategy? Even if you think you are, I'd double check and play through a few thousand hands on software like VPW.
Quote: RS
Are you playing proper strategy? Even if you think you are, I'd double check and play through a few thousand hands on software like VPW.
True Dat.
If you don't test yourself, you're probably not playing correct strategy.
Yes, I play well. I practice all the time with software on my tablet and phone. Gives me errors with ev difference anytime I make a mistake.
Just doing simple math. 195k hands @ 1.25 per, I'm about 2.5k below expectation roughly.
edit: may have made a mistake. 195k hands should be about $1900 winners. And while I'm down a net 3350, at least 1k of that is not in the 195k fpdw hands.
They may love LOCALS, but they have not shown me any love.
Quote: standbymymanJust curious where you play. I have NEVER had a royal at Red Rock, Santa Fe Station, or Sam's Town. Short several cycles.
They may love LOCALS, but they have not shown me any love.
Santa Fe Station.
Quote: mcallister3200I found $1 FPDW not long ago, maybe a mistake, yes I double checked the pay table.
in Vegas? Where? I'm very skeptical of this.
you have only played one session of 195,000 hands (a small number of hands btw)Quote: BigfsheadYes, I play well. I practice all the time with software on my tablet and phone. Gives me errors with ev difference anytime I make a mistake.
Just doing simple math. 195k hands @ 1.25 per, I'm about 2.5k below expectation roughly.
edit: may have made a mistake. 195k hands should be about $1900 winners. And while I'm down a net 3350, at least 1k of that is not in the 195k fpdw hands.
how can you say you should be about $1900 winners?
there is no should in one session
where did you learn this false belief, I do ask?
in other words,
where does that crap come from? (a craps table maybe?)
that (abouts $1900) is an average over many such sessions played
one does not average one trial, I mean really
and
195k hands is starting to show some normal shape (where mean = median = mode, abouts)
but still numerically far from it, I says so
even after 1 million hands played I thinks about 1 in 16 still shows a LOSS.
abouts 60,000 out of 1 million
enough to fill a football stadium, I would thinks
you may be in that group (the loser group)
Hey, someone has to be in the loser group,
and better you than me ;)
(better anyone than me)
wow
many still can show a very large loss playing fpdw after 1 million hands
better get good comps from this play
hey hey
say
what?
Sally says
Quote: mcallister3200I played next to a guy for a bit today who said "4 aces" before almost every hand. It didn't seem to help.
Did he do a barrel roll? Probably not that's why he didn't hit.
Quote: mcallister3200I played next to a guy for a bit today who said "4 aces" before almost every hand. It didn't seem to help.
Did he tap the side of the machines 3 times before hitting the DEAL button? That's critical.
Quote: HowManyDid he tap the side of the machines 3 times before hitting the DEAL button? That's critical.
Had one last week playing full pay that every dozen or so hands would cash out and reinsert his ticket to "reset" the machine. This lasted well over an hour till I left.
How did this conversation get swept under the rug?Quote: mcallister3200I found $1 FPDW not long ago, maybe a mistake, yes I double checked the pay table.
Quote: AxelWolfHow did this conversation get swept under the rug?
Perhaps intentially to avoid the topic.
Quote: mcallister3200I played next to a guy for a bit today who said "4 aces" before almost every hand. It didn't seem to help.
If it doesn't hurt his Odds, why not?
Personally, I got sick of being wrong all the time. That's why if I get dealt Trips, I always call for the fourth (or fourth/fifth on Jokers) not to come. Three Jacks, and just before I hit Draw, I say, "No Jack!"
But as I said, I just can't stand it. Luckily I have a partner (playing partner in this sense) that now handles almost all our video poker play. And there is a lot of work involved. Not just playing, but keeping track of everything, coin-in and such to maximize return and future mailer offers.
So my partner has been down with pneumonia for the last 2 weeks, which meant I had to pick up the VP play schedule. I mean you can't just let it go. Free play offers have to be played and certain coin-in levels need to be reached to keep everything running at max return. So for the last 2 weeks I have spent half my time playing video poker. Thank god my partner is now nearly recovered and can resume his duties. Did I mention how much I hate video poker??
Quote: kewljDid I mention how much I hate video poker??
You and I are definitely opposites here. I tend to only play BJ when I have a match coupon lately. :-\
Quote: tringlomaneYou and I are definitely opposites here. I tend to only play BJ when I have a match coupon lately. :-\
Same here. I love grinding plays, I can sit down and play all day. I don't like running around picking up free play anymore like I used to, unless they are big amounts. Figuring out coin in and what game to play sucks too, I'm not a big fan of that neither. It is pretty damn satisfying to find a play and analyze it to find a big advantage but tedious since you have to separate the good from the crap.
I hate table games. Pull a wad of cash, wait for chips, show your players card at some casinos for match plays, hold up an ongoing game (fun to bet DC in craps on a match bet during a roll), pit boss comes by to OK the matchplay, and all that.
So I lost $95 playing blackjack and $20 playing the vp. Standing outside waiting for my ride. I say, what the heck. I'll go back in and put $20 into the vp machine. This is a little Indian casino, so from where I was standing waiting for my ride to the vp machine is forty feet away. After a very few plays I've got $16.25 left and I hold a pair of aces. A little quirk I have when I play vp is that when I hit "draw" I don't look at the cards, I look at the credits/dollars (if the machine is audible I just listen for that continuous orgasm of symphonic bliss). So I see it continue adding--better than 2 pairs, better than 3 of a kind (come oooon, pass the full house), just keeps going and going. Yes! 4 aces. What a nice hit on bonus poker. Just thought I'd share this little ray of sunlight. Oh, I quit right then.
Quote: GreasyjohnI'm on a little vacation to a place that only has 6/5 Bonus Poker. They have 7/5 if I want to play $1 instead of 25 cent, but I don't.
So I lost $95 playing blackjack and $20 playing the vp. Standing outside waiting for my ride. I say, what the heck. I'll go back in and put $20 into the vp machine. This is a little Indian casino, so from where I was standing waiting for my ride to the vp machine is forty feet. After a very few plays I've got $16.25 left and I hold a pair of aces. A little quirk I have when I play vp is that when I hit "draw" I don't look at the cards, I look at the credits/dollars. So I see it continue adding--better than 2 pairs, better than 3 of a kind, just keeps going and going. Yes! 4 aces. What a nice hit on bonus poker. Just thought I'd share this little ray of sunlight. Oh, I quit right then.
This reminds me of a time I was playing video poker with a friend of mine. I get dealt 3 deuces and I look over at her then jokingly say "the key to hitting these is to not look when you hit draw". I hit draw as i wasn't looking and heard the credits keep going so knew I hit it.
Quote: AxelWolfI like mixing it up. However if bonus round slots, the new stuff like family guy, star wars, (Cash Coaster LOOKS FUN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zfPogBwsmU ) were as good as VP, Id prefer them because you can't make mistakes, You don't even have to look at the screen, you can get out tons of spins out fast, there's always something new, you can use 1 finger with zero effort, they can be very entertaining, no strategies to learn, just sit back relax and zone out.
Axel,
Do you think those machines are geared to bring in the younger crowds?
define younger crowd. Slots of the past have the stigma of being for little old ladies.Quote: BoulderDamItAxel,
Do you think those machines are geared to bring in the younger crowds?
I'm not thinking younger as in early 20s. Who has all the money and is willing to give it up? I would assume they mostly design with them in mind.
If they wanted to market to the under 28 crowd they would totally redesign slots altogether and integrate social media and games like that. I'm surprised they don't have something that connects your live slot, play as your playing to Facebook or something so your friends can watch your play and they can comment. Im not talking a live feed, just software that is integrated and mimics your spins.
Quote: luckyjackgI have noticed vp machines that have variable pay tables for different amounts played, as well as various type games. Does the machine use different chips for each game or is the same chip used for all games? In other words, if playing double double bonus or just jacks or better, does the machine vary the hands dealt?
In most states including Nevada, the game is required to act like a standard-issue random deck of poker cards for all games. I would assume all the games are programmed on one chip. The only thing that changes the chances of getting certain hands are your hold choices. That's why the paytables change for various games as that's the main thing driving the house edge.
Quote: djatcDid he do a barrel roll? Probably not that's why he didn't hit.
He probably also did not have shoe on head.
Quote: AxelWolfdefine younger crowd. Slots of the past have the stigma of being for little old ladies.
I'm not thinking younger as in early 20s. Who has all the money and is willing to give it up? I would assume they mostly design with them in mind.
If they wanted to market to the under 28 crowd they would totally redesign slots altogether and integrate social media and games like that. I'm surprised they don't have something that connects your live slot, play as your playing to Facebook or something so your friends can watch your play and they can comment. Im not talking a live feed, just software that is integrated and mimics your spins.
I was coming from the aspect that they're themes are very popular in pop culture and with the under 40 crowds.
Quote: AlanMendelsonMy longest royal flush drought was 180,000 hands. Last year I had 8 royal, including two less than a hundred hands apart.
Sigh, I'm currently at over 300,000 hands in FPDW w/o a royal. I took over 1 yr off completely from playing vp, and played little the 1st 6 months of this year. I have about 60,000 hands played in the last 2 months. In some ways I've been lucky, getting good play for my money. Couple days ago I played 5000 hands on only $200 (.25c). Had five 1 card draws at it for a miss, and 0/12 on 3 deuces making the 4th.
This is seriously hurting now.
Quote: mcallister3200I found $1 FPDW not long ago, maybe a mistake, yes I double checked the pay table.
Wut
