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January 6th, 2014 at 8:15:14 PM permalink
I think I bought this up a while ago, but I'm looking to establish a record for the fastest video poker player. This will be proven by recording about five minutes of play. Later I will review the footage to check for errors. I plan to deduct from the total hands played 600*cost of all errors. So, for example, an error costing 1% in EV would result in docking six hands from the total.

I plan to later post this footage with as much fanfare as I can muster. I will allow for playing anonymously, but then you'll not get any of the fame. Leave the recording to me. I think with my GoPro I can be very discrete about it. This recording must take place in Las Vegas at the machine of your choice.

If you can play accurately, any game, at a speed of at least 1,000 hands per hour on a single machine, then please PM me if you're interested, or respond directly to this post.
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January 6th, 2014 at 8:45:43 PM permalink
5 minutes does not look like a real test to me. But then what do I know ?
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January 6th, 2014 at 9:24:00 PM permalink
I heard frank kneeland and was the fastest for the longest time, are you able to get him on this project?
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January 6th, 2014 at 9:49:31 PM permalink
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I heard frank kneeland and was the fastest for the longest time, are you able to get him on this project?



I mentioned this idea a while ago to him, as I recall. He said he speed was way off from his prime.
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January 6th, 2014 at 9:50:43 PM permalink
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5 minutes does not look like a real test to me. But then what do I know ?



At 1,000 hands per hour that would be 83.3 hands in five minutes. That should be enough to establish an overall speed. I've seen some very fast players play and it isn't like some hands take longer than others. The way they play is as fast as I could hit the keys randomly.
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January 6th, 2014 at 9:53:39 PM permalink
what if someone hits a royal right in the middle of his world-record speed run?
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January 6th, 2014 at 10:00:18 PM permalink
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5 minutes does not look like a real test to me. But then what do I know ?



The time would be a factor if someone was dealt a high percentage of easy hands. Although, if you had a tie in error and speed, you could look at the hands played and determine the winner by who had more higher rated hands come up.

Although one factor (IMO) some hands played quickly are more prone to simple errors, even though the hands themselves are not difficult. I was trying to think of an example. Perhaps where you hold a pair but didn't see the open ended straight because you are playing so fast.
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January 6th, 2014 at 10:30:10 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

what if someone hits a royal right in the middle of his world-record speed run?



We would have to start over.

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The time would be a factor if someone was dealt a high percentage of easy hands.



I've seen some top players and they seem to know every hand cold. Maybe once every 100 hands they have to pause for half a second to think.
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January 6th, 2014 at 10:37:20 PM permalink
Never played, but I saw someone playing one
once. Does that count? Does 3 of a kind beat
2 pair, I can never remember..

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January 6th, 2014 at 11:12:32 PM permalink
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Why? Just hit the deal button to stop the credits from racking up then hit it again to deal the next hand.



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January 6th, 2014 at 11:30:24 PM permalink
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On a newer quarter machine?

Playing one line on spin poker and setting it to turbo, you can easily burn 1000+ hands per hour.



True but maybe they want to try and make money at the same time
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January 7th, 2014 at 1:48:45 AM permalink
Wizard, I wish I knew this guy's name, but from time to time he plays in the high limit room at Caesars (the mini dome room, NOT the Palace Court slots room). You will spot him immediately, as he plays two VP machines simultaneously at lightning speed. Left hand on one machine, right hand on the other, playing both as if he was playing the piano.

He is a computer programmer. Whenever he plays he attracts some gawkers. He also plays at the Aria. You might stop by and drop off your card and ask some of the floor people if they could help you make a connection.

He plays at the $10/coin level.

Frank Kneeland told me he hasn't put his own money into a video poker machine in something like 14 years. So if you asked him to play on his own dime I am sure he would come up with a reason not to.

If you are looking for the slowest video poker player... I'm your guy. Ive been known to play one hand every 10 seconds as I check and double check the correct strategy in my mind... and then pray. Some of my prayers are very long when I have four to a royal.
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January 7th, 2014 at 2:12:27 AM permalink
Once someone establishes the record on the machine of there choice. Then someone steps up to challenge them, say a month down the road, will they be obligated to play that machine as well? I could see a problem with that scenario. Someone may find a super fast VP machine. Or some new set up. Possibly a new game where redraws are way more common, or something like Pick em poker.
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January 7th, 2014 at 4:21:41 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Once someone establishes the record on the machine of there choice. Then someone steps up to challenge them, say a month down the road, will they be obligated to play that machine as well? I could see a problem with that scenario. Someone may find a super fast VP machine. Or some new set up. Possibly a new game where redraws are way more common, or something like Pick em poker.



I believe I'm fast but not competitive fast. If I was competing, it would be 2 wild. A lot of hands you throw away so just 1 button press while with JOB, you don't throw much away so more button pushes.

I think the contest should take place on a computer video poker game that catches errors immediately. I have a job, dbl bonus and 2 wild on my tablet that I practice on. It lets me know errors immediately and plays exactly like the casino game with the same sounds.

I think a better contest, how fast can you play 100 hands with no errors.
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January 7th, 2014 at 5:52:54 AM permalink
Regarding the royal question, I was assuming it would have caused a hand pay. For any such interruption, and I could think of others, we would have to start over.

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I think the contest should take place on a computer video poker game that catches errors immediately.



I don't think that is the same thing. It would be like settling a boxing match with Wii Boxing. There is something to be said about playing under actual casino conditions.

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Once someone establishes the record on the machine of there choice. Then someone steps up to challenge them, say a month down the road, will they be obligated to play that machine as well?



The challenger can play any machine he wishes. I think a Game King on the fastest possible setting is as fast as it gets.

Regarding playing two machines, I'm sure I'll get that request. However, I can verify skill on only one machine. I would need a second camera and cameraman to monitor the second machine. Maybe I'll do that down the road, but for now I'm opening this up for just a single machine.
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January 7th, 2014 at 7:49:29 AM permalink
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I don't think that is the same thing. It would be like settling a boxing match with Wii Boxing. There is something to be said about playing under actual casino conditions.



Yea real boxing and Wii boxing. 2 completely different games and skills.

Casino video poker, computer video poker. Exactly same games except one is for money, the other one is not for money.
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January 7th, 2014 at 8:16:37 AM permalink
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Casino video poker, computer video poker. Exactly same games except one is for money, the other one is not for money.



I don't see anyone using a mouse at the machines in the casino.
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January 7th, 2014 at 8:19:38 AM permalink
I think Mickey had some sort of advantage played that involved ladies playing at a table game and a live mouse. Of course, he was three sheets in the wind drunk when he told me about it. So he may have been exaggerating slightly.
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January 7th, 2014 at 10:02:32 AM permalink
Could the record be set during a tournament? Although the frequency of paying hands is artificially increased on tournament machines, is the mix of other hands significantly different? If not, it could be an economical way to measure speed without risking $25 or $50 per draw.
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January 7th, 2014 at 10:11:27 AM permalink
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Casino video poker, computer video poker. Exactly same games


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February 19th, 2014 at 6:59:20 PM permalink
I'd be interested but won't be back in Las Vegas til end of May. I'd say you could easily do 1400 hph at the quarter single line at Casino Royale near the center strip entrance. Unfortunately, they are 7/5 bonus poker now. Even with the coupon sheet ( which I no longer get) it's not a great play.

Let's see, 1400 hph times 1/12th of an hour is 116 hands or $145 ci. Expected loss of $2.90. I'd be willing to give up $3 to take a shot.
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February 19th, 2014 at 7:21:09 PM permalink
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I'd be interested but won't be back in Las Vegas til end of May. I'd say you could easily do 1400 hph at the quarter single line at Casino Royale near the center strip entrance. Unfortunately, they are 7/5 bonus poker now. Even with the coupon sheet ( which I no longer get) it's not a great play.

Let's see, 1400 hph times 1/12th of an hour is 116 hands or $145 ci. Expected loss of $2.90. I'd be willing to give up $3 to take a shot.

SOOPOO, is that you?
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February 19th, 2014 at 8:38:42 PM permalink
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I'd be interested but won't be back in Las Vegas til end of May. I'd say you could easily do 1400 hph at the quarter single line at Casino Royale near the center strip entrance. Unfortunately, they are 7/5 bonus poker now. Even with the coupon sheet ( which I no longer get) it's not a great play.

Let's see, 1400 hph times 1/12th of an hour is 116 hands or $145 ci. Expected loss of $2.90. I'd be willing to give up $3 to take a shot.

With no mistakes? I will bet you that you can not play 1400 hand an hr on a single line normal video poker machine and I will even allow you a few mistakes.
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February 19th, 2014 at 8:58:01 PM permalink
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I'd be interested but won't be back in Las Vegas til end of May. I'd say you could easily do 1400 hph at the quarter single line at Casino Royale near the center strip entrance. Unfortunately, they are 7/5 bonus poker now. Even with the coupon sheet ( which I no longer get) it's not a great play.

Let's see, 1400 hph times 1/12th of an hour is 116 hands or $145 ci. Expected loss of $2.90. I'd be willing to give up $3 to take a shot.



I would be happy to pay for the expected loss in return for the rights to video the experience and put it on YouTube.
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February 19th, 2014 at 9:16:57 PM permalink
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The challenger can play any machine he wishes. I think a Game King on the fastest possible setting is as fast as it gets.

The only problem I have with that is if they come out with a new VP machine the next week or something. Example: Lets say I spend time and practice up. I play the Game king and smoke 1320 hands an hr (doubtful). Now some wise ass comes along with ZERO skill or practice and finds a super duper turbo speed auto hold machine that can crank out 1800 per hr(pushing 1 button)? Or they come out with a 2 card VP game (less cards t hold, easy hold).

I understand I may be over thinking this, but guys are always looking for angles during competitions, just to be smart asses(heads I win, tails you lose). Between friends or you little brother, for a buck or two, this might be fine.

For a competition of some kind I don't think this would be funny, There are some people who don't care about the spirit of the situation, they really just want to say HA HA I got you on a technicality.
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February 19th, 2014 at 9:27:23 PM permalink
Isn't there a rule/law about recording devices while in a store?

What do you mean by accurate, too? We talking optimal strategy or the easy strategy? If I submit my recording, I'll do it in a tournament. Nothing easier or faster than tournament strategy :) or hundred play!
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February 20th, 2014 at 2:09:14 AM permalink
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SOOPOO, is that you?



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February 20th, 2014 at 2:54:53 AM permalink
Quote: RS

Isn't there a rule/law about recording devices while in a store?

What do you mean by accurate, too? We talking optimal strategy or the easy strategy? If I submit my recording, I'll do it in a tournament. Nothing easier or faster than tournament strategy :) or hundred play!

Lets not do this in a store, a casino would be better;) It has to be optimal or you can just hit redraw each time. As I said people are always looking for an angle.

How do you know what the best tournament strategy is it seems ambiguous. Just going for royals wont do it.
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