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Quote: RSI forgot which machines or casinos specifically, but I noticed at the shops in south-west of LV (Primm, Gold Strike(?), etc. area), require a hand-pay to cash out. Other machines where you can cashout a ticket, may have low hand-pay thresholds. I can't think of any reason for doing this, other than what DRich said, or maybe because the machines are super old?
I think that tips to the floor people may be a factor. If all machines are set to lock up only at $1200 or higher it costs the floor people a lot of tip income.
Quote: mickeycrimmI think that tips to the floor people may be a factor. If all machines are set to lock up only at $1200 or higher it costs the floor people a lot of tip income.
Caesars in Windsor I asked what the lock up hand pay was on the VP machines lady told me $2500. Said most machines in casino were set very high like that as they do not want to pay employees to pay out jackpots.
Quote: djatcI've never understood why people hold all 5 cards when dealt a 4 of a kind. Not that it changes anything either way, but why?
Less chance for error in games where the kicker doesn't matter. That's my theory anyway.
Quote: tringlomaneLess chance for error in games where the kicker doesn't matter. That's my theory anyway.
I've heard of cases where people would hold 4oak and re-draw one of the cards he was already holding, so the machine errored and didn't get paid.
Also, if you're playing a multi-line game, holding all 5 will speed it up.
The very first hand (single play) I'm dealt Kd Jd X X X and hit a royal, at which point we stared at the screen for a second, and hilarity ensued.
I really don't count my royals playing 52/100 hand, just because at 100 hands your pretty likely to hit one within an hour or two.
Quote: djatcI've never understood why people hold all 5 cards when dealt a 4 of a kind. Not that it changes anything either way, but why?
No particular reason. How do you decide which pair to keep from a 2 pair in deuces wild? Or which card to keep on a DoN?
Quote: ahiromuFor those of you that normally tip, are you tipping on hand pays under $1200?
I hit a $1,000 Royal on Jokers in May, tipped $100, actually ended up cashing for $1,175 on $5.00 I put in the machine!
Quote: GWAEdo multi line royals count in my royal count? Even on nickles when I never play nickles? If so here is number 7 and back to back days on bovada.
If multi-line royals didn't count, I'd be royalless. Hell, I haven't even had a nickel royal yet. :-\ My dealt penny royal acts like one I guess, but meh. I only count that as "one" and not 6. Because I hate the idea that I am terribly overroyaled on pennies...lol
Quote: RSI've heard of cases where people would hold 4oak and re-draw one of the cards he was already holding, so the machine errored and didn't get paid.
It makes perfect sense.
I saw one guy holding two pairs, and the machine started loading the fifth card but never coming up.
The guy had to call slot attendant and machine was then treated as malfunction. He was not paid for the 2 pairs or better.
Fortunately it's just two pairs, not quads. But the risk is the same.
Quote: pokerfaceIt makes perfect sense.
I saw one guy holding two pairs, and the machine started loading the fifth card but never coming up.
The guy had to call slot attendant and machine was then treated as malfunction. He was not paid for the 2 pairs or better.
Fortunately it's just two pairs, not quads. But the risk is the same.
Did the machine not record the deal in memory either? If it did, he should have got the payout for 2 pair. And considering the payout size for 2 pair, they should have paid him that anyway for the inconvenience. Tightwads.
Quote: AxelWolfI proposly don't hold the 5th card. I have only heard rumors of no oay malfunctioning machines. With millions of hands plays and millions more whiteness and millions played by friends and partners. No one has ever had this happen. We used to have a $500 bounty if this happened to you.
I do the same thing. I would like to see a duplicate card scenario so I could get a picture of it. That would be worth more to me than most payouts for four of a kinds.
Quote: ahiromuFor those of you that normally tip, are you tipping on hand pays under $1200?
Jean Scott's rule of thumb is $10 on a $1000 royal.
Quote: RSI've heard of cases where people would hold 4oak and re-draw one of the cards he was already holding, so the machine errored and didn't get paid.
I suppsoe a malfunction can happen at any time. Maybe even after you've held all five cards and pressed "DRAW."
As I play mostly Deuces Wild, I should never hold all five cards when dealt a natural 4oaK. A 5oaK is worth considerably more.
Quote: djatcI've never understood why people hold all 5 cards when dealt a 4 of a kind. Not that it changes anything either way, but why?
Why not avoid the silly mistake of discarding the wrong card, I always hold all five. I think I learned it here.
Quote: Boney526No particular reason. How do you decide which pair to keep from a 2 pair in deuces wild? Or which card to keep on a DoN?
usually i hold the lower pair of the 2, preferably no aces since I would hate to get 4 aces. or whichever is easier on my fingers to hold at the time.
for doubling up i pick the card closest to the computers. it works about 50.00000001% of the time.
BTW, if you get dealt a 4oak on a multiplay machine and hold all 5 cards, does it make the "Dealt hand" sound because you are paid without throwing anything away? You know the sound when you hold all cards to a flush on 100 play.
Quote: djatcusually i hold the lower pair of the 2, preferably no aces since I would hate to get 4 aces. or whichever is easier on my fingers to hold at the time.
for doubling up i pick the card closest to the computers. it works about 50.00000001% of the time.
BTW, if you get dealt a 4oak on a multiplay machine and hold all 5 cards, does it make the "Dealt hand" sound because you are paid without throwing anything away? You know the sound when you hold all cards to a flush on 100 play.
I never like playing deuces wild so I never learned the basic strat but since it is on UX machines I decided to look at the wizards strategy charts. I am confused though and maybe someone knows the answer.
Whenever you look at the full pay deuces wild page it shows that if you are dealt 2 pair that you should just hold 1 pair but under not so ugly ducks it says to hold both pair. Which is correct, what am I missing?
Quote: GWAEI never like playing deuces wild so I never learned the basic strat but since it is on UX machines I decided to look at the wizards strategy charts. I am confused though and maybe someone knows the answer.
Whenever you look at the full pay deuces wild page it shows that if you are dealt 2 pair that you should just hold 1 pair but under not so ugly ducks it says to hold both pair. Which is correct, what am I missing?
The big thing is what the FH pays and what 4OAK pays. on FPDW FH only pays a palty 3 credits, but a whopping 5 credits on 4OAK, therefore it's always correct to throw away 2 pair. On NSUD (or DW44 for 4 credits on both pays as I've recently learned) you get 4 credits either way, which means holding the 2 pair for 8 outs (the remaining 4 cards + 4 deuces) is above a pair by itself.
You hold 4 card flushes over pairs in NSUD because the flush pays 3. Over time you can glance at a pay table and kind of figure out strategy based on which hand pays what, and where the pay is chopped off.
Although UX is different because you are playing for multipliers therefore hold all sort of potential hands over basic strategy. That's if you play straight up, and don't just vulture the machines.
Quote: GWAE
Whenever you look at the full pay deuces wild page it shows that if you are dealt 2 pair that you should just hold 1 pair but under not so ugly ducks it says to hold both pair. Which is correct, what am I missing?
They are both correct. The difference comes into play depending on the pay for the full house.
Quote: GWAEI never like playing deuces wild so I never learned the basic strat but since it is on UX machines I decided to look at the wizards strategy charts. I am confused though and maybe someone knows the answer.
Whenever you look at the full pay deuces wild page it shows that if you are dealt 2 pair that you should just hold 1 pair but under not so ugly ducks it says to hold both pair. Which is correct, what am I missing?
The Full House pays 3 for 1 in FPDW but pays 4 for 1 with NSUD. That's the difference.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe Full House pays 3 for 1 in FPDW but pays 4 for 1 with NSUD. That's the difference.
thank you..
I kinda thought that was the deal but didn't catch it right away. I just vulture the games anyways and the pay tables we have are pretty bad, approx 95%.
Quote: GWAEthank you..
I kinda thought that was the deal but didn't catch it right away. I just vulture the games anyways and the pay tables we have are pretty bad, approx 95%.
Worst UX deuces paytable available is 95.96% (20/10/8/4/4/3) before the multipliers. Next worst is "Colorado Deuces" at 96.77% (25/16/13/4/3/2). In St. Louis, I need to know both strategies because different casinos offer one paytable or the other. The former Harrah's offering the crappier one of course...lol On the lowest paytable, you play 2 pair and flush draws like NSUD. In "Colorado Deuces", you play 2 pair and flush draws like FPDW. Like dj says, I never hold Aces in "Colorado Deuces" either. I will avoid holding 3s-5s too (premium pays in DDB or Bonus Deuces).
Quote: tringlomaneDid the machine not record the deal in memory either? If it did, he should have got the payout for 2 pair. And considering the payout size for 2 pair, they should have paid him that anyway for the inconvenience. Tightwads.
They returned his original bet ($5) to him. "Machine malfunctioning voids all bets"
Quote: mickeycrimmJean Scott's rule of thumb is $10 on a $1000 royal.
Any good stories on her Mick?
Quote: BozAny good stories on her Mick?
Bob Dancer used to pick on her and Dan Paymar quite a bit calling her a small fry and calling Paymar's strategies flawed. I may have convinced Bob to sell his own product and quit bashing the products of others. On vpFREE I pointed out some things to him and he stopped going after them. He called Paymar's "recreational 9/6 jacks" flawed. So I called Bob's "beginner's" strategies flawed. Paymar called his strategy "recreational" and Dancer called his "beginner's." The only difference between the two is what they called them.
I bought her books years ago. I was impressed with her strategy for drawings--the rest of it I pretty much already knew. The fact that she and Brad started out as low-bankrolling single line quarter players and progressed all the way up to quarter hundred play is very impressive. I got to know her through vpFREE. She was always very complimentary about my strategies. We have traded PM's many times. She even told me their real names which I promised not to divulge.
Jean has always been a strong player's advocate and has never been tainted by the brush of outing players. I still have a subscription to her blog, jscott.lva.com. She is a very nice lady.
I feel fortunate to have hit my second Royal in as many years. This one was in Central City at Johnny Z's casino. It paid 8000 coins, I snapped the pic as the tally was still increasing. In comparing the two I've hit, the first one paid $300 on a max bet of $0.25, whereas this one paid $400 on a max bet of $0.50. Should I go back to playing the first machine type?
Quote: BlackHawkDownYesterday I hit a Royal Flush playing Double Bonus Poker!
I feel fortunate to have hit my second Royal in as many years. This one was in Central City at Johnny Z's casino. It paid 8000 coins, I snapped the pic as the tally was still increasing. In comparing the two I've hit, the first one paid $300 on a max bet of $0.25, whereas this one paid $400 on a max bet of $0.50. Should I go back to playing the first machine type?
You would be better off playing the quarter bet with the 1200 for 1 royal which comes in about 95.3%. The game in your picture is about 94.2%. Better yet, you should scout out Cripple Creek for built up progressives that would have a much better value.
But yeah, this paytable (8/5/4) is really bad (94.18%), this is actually the worst paytable I believe I have ever seen in person after visiting ~70 casinos or so nationwide. The other game you showed was a 9/6/5 game which is 97.81% before any progressives which isn't terrible for a 5 nickel machine in many areas nationwide.
Quote: scoobNice hit, but the only reason I ever set foot in Johnny Z's is for the blackjack (best game in CO), to get my freeplays and check the UX for multipliers. I'd never actually play the VP machines there. They are hideous! There are plenty of 9/7/5 DB machines in town if tht's your game. Why play 8/5/4?
The progressive on 3 card poker was +ev last time I was there. You could also check that play when you walk through.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI haven't had one of these in a long time. My first one ever at Greektown.
Nice hit!
Quote: djatcThat's the best 4 card royal hold too. Congrats.
I had the same one the other night but I got the 9 instead of the A. It was kinda funny that I was sad about winning $125
Quote: scoobNice hit, but the only reason I ever set foot in Johnny Z's is for the blackjack (best game in CO), to get my freeplays and check the UX for multipliers. I'd never actually play the VP machines there. They are hideous! There are plenty of 9/7/5 DB machines in town if tht's your game. Why play 8/5/4?
Well, I am not a professional player, and we were in Jz's for a birthday celebration. We were there for about an hour or so. I had been up at BlackJack (I agree, great for the players!), and had come back down to where I started (or possibly less). I went over to video poker (I agree, 8/5/4 is pretty bad when compared to BJ), and played til I won (about 20 mins or so).
I don't normally play these 8/5/4 machines, other than to get credit in my players card.
It's all such a crap shoot anyway, I am not expecting to get another RF in the next 10 years!
