dac5039
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January 5th, 2010 at 5:04:59 PM permalink
Hi, first post. Love the Wizard sites.

The Cancellation Technique (1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) applies to even money bets. Can it be/has it been modified in some manner to allow for the taking of odds on pass line bets? For betting the Come? The Come with odds?

Thanks
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January 5th, 2010 at 6:50:58 PM permalink
This is the first I've heard that question. Due to the different odds, craps isn't well suited to the cancellation system.
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January 5th, 2010 at 7:44:35 PM permalink
Wizard,

So that I can ponder this (to no avail), could you please provide the probabilistic formula behind the cancellation example you break down on WOO?

Thanks

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January 6th, 2010 at 8:09:43 AM permalink
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January 6th, 2010 at 3:20:21 PM permalink
Quote: dac5039

Hi, first post. Love the Wizard sites.

The Cancellation Technique (1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1) applies to even money bets. Can it be/has it been modified in some manner to allow for the taking of odds on pass line bets? For betting the Come? The Come with odds?

Thanks



I have given this thought myself recently, and I think I may have come to a conclusion that it is possible, but also annoying to keep a tally. In the cancellation system you are allowed to split a big number, like 15 units, into two blocks, like 7 and 8.

So, if you have something like:

11 12 13 14 15

You can make it: 11 12 13 14 7 8

Based on this, I believe that you can simply count the units won or lost on odds, and add them or subtract them. Here is an example:

Start:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

Come Bet: 2 units
Come Out Roll: 6
Odds Bet: 6 units

Result: lose 8 units

So now, instead of adding a 2 at the end (the sum of 1 and 1), you add 8 on the end, and the current tally is:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 8

However, you might not want to jump to a 9 unit bet on the pass line, so you can alter it:

1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 4 4

So, next bet:

Come bet: 5 units
Come Out Roll: 4
Odds Bet: 15

Result: Win 35 Units - You're done.

You get the idea, it seems possible but hard to track, and with fast rising numbers if you lose a few odds in a row. I'm also not totally sure that I'm right, so maybe someone else will chime in.
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