FYI. AC Can Now Ban AP Players.

Quote: boymimbo

"controlled throwing" ... is a legal throw.
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Sliding ... is absolutely illegal.

Quote: my letter

Dear Mr. Owens,

I am writing in response to the recent incidence of dice sliding in craps reported at the Wynn Las Vegas casino. I have a question as to how to interpret certain provisions of NRS 465. Specifically, NRS 465.015 says:
1. “Cheat” means to alter the elements of chance, method of selection or criteria which determine:
(a) The result of a game;
(b) The amount or frequency of payment in a game;

I am curious as to whether there has been any caselaw or other statutory interpretation of the meaning of the word "alter" in that statute. In a first interpretation, "alter" means to physically change, such as by replacing fair dice in a craps game with toppers or loads -- and as such, a skilled method of throwing fair dice (such as sliding) would not be cheating under this statute. In a second interpretation, "alter" means to change the end results -- and as such, any skilled method of throwing the dice which results in a different probability distribution than standard dice would be cheating, even if done with fair dice. For example, a successful dice slide with one die staying face up on the number six would change the probability distribution from the standard odds (p(2) = 1/36, p(3) = 2/36, etc.) to one where the probability of numbers 7 through 12 is 1/6 each and the probability of numbers 2 through 6 is zero. I want to know if that would be "altering" per the meaning of NRS 465.015, specifically since the dice probabilities are what "determine ... (b) the ... frequency of payment" in the game of casino craps.

In short, I'd like to know your office's position on whether dice sliding or any other technique for skilfully influencing the results of fair dice (as there are several others) is "cheating", and therefore a felony to execute (or attempt) under NRS 465.

Thank you sincerely for your time.

Quote: Keyser

When someone is banned from a casino, the banned person's name is NOT added to some kind of state list. No such list exists. Many people confuse the "excluded, wanted, or denied list" with what they believe to be some kind of "banning" list. I believe this is also what confused Sancho near the beginning of the thread.

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These days, there appears to be more large wins that are being disputed by the casinos.

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Such disputes are not published on the state website or made available to the general public in any manner.

Quote: Sancho

So "excluded" does not mean "banned" in your parlance. How unusual!

Quote: Sancho

How in the world the poster could know this or even guess at it is beyond imagination.

Quote: Sancho

If they are contested in court, they certainly are public record.

Quote: Keyser

It's really quite simple.

Take a stroll down the AC coast and ask the dealers and pit if the casino has been banning some gamblers.

Quote: 1BB

I did just that this morning. I started with Trump Plaza where you were banned. I asked the pit manager, two pit bosses and several dealers. They were unanimous in saying,"Absolutely not!".

Quote: 1BB

IBefore I could even finish the question,the pit manager referred to The Wizard of Vegas and said that they have this particular thread on their bulletin boards to read whenever they need a good laugh.