Craps - simultaneous "Pass" bets and "Dont Pass" bets

I was watching a man play craps. He had equal amounts bet on the "Pass Line" and the "Don't Pass Line" and he had "bought" the "10." While I was watching he did not lose. His line bets made even money and several times his bet on the 10 got paid. Will somebody explain to me what kind of betting pattern this is? If it is a sound way to play? and if so, ho to play it?

Thanks

No, it's not. You lose on 12. And every time you don't hit 10, you lose.

However, *if* commission is only charged on Buy 10 on win, then it's a low-edge bet.

The doey-don't allows for the flexibility to put odds on the pass or the don't pass. It has a zero edge pass the come out roll. Yep, the 12 loses the pass and pushes the don't pass. I'm not sure how you are rated for the passline.

Buying the 12 is low HA if you pay commission after a win. Otherwise, it's 4.76 percent ($20, 3.85 percent for $25) for buying a 4 or a 10.

The Wizard has a complicated-to-me analysis of why betting on both actually increases the HE. For my own attempts to grasp why it is not a good idea, I can see that you have to bet twice as much, and each way of course has a similar negative Expected Value

The doey-don't is dumb if you don't put on odds, because there is no way to WIN unless you make a conscious decision to put on odds or not.

The problem is that there is really no action. The HA on the bet is 1.3889 percent but you are betting double so the EV is actually twice of what a pass line or don't pass line is alone.

Quote: chatchaat

I was watching a man play craps. He had equal amounts bet on the "Pass Line" and the "Don't Pass Line" and he had "bought" the "10." While I was watching he did not lose. His line bets made even money and several times his bet on the 10 got paid. Will somebody explain to me what kind of betting pattern this is? If it is a sound way to play? and if so, ho to play it?

Thanks

Some people seem to think this wil make free-odds free. They don't seem to realize you lose half your bet on one in 36 come-out rolls, or at least they don't care. Husband/wife teams or other teams have been known to do this seperately to run up comps. To this there could be a certain small logic. Both sides bet $50 for example. $100 * 60 rolls per hour = $6,000 per hour bet. 1.41% of $6,000 is $60 thoretical loss. Get $24 in comps at a standard 40% return. If the 12 comes up you lose the $50 pass line bet. But lets assume 10 come-outs per hour. If we assume perfect randomness you can go 3.5 hours before a 12 on a come-out. Now you have $90 in comps for a theoretical $24 lost on the 12 come-out in that 3.5 hours.

Boring way to spend your days, but some people will try it.

If he wants to shoot, a line bet is required. Maybe he just likes to buy the 10, but doesn't like the pass/don't pass bets.

Quote: chatchaat

I was watching a man play craps. He had equal amounts bet on the "Pass Line" and the "Don't Pass Line" and he had "bought" the "10." While I was watching he did not lose. His line bets made even money and several times his bet on the 10 got paid. Will somebody explain to me what kind of betting pattern this is? If it is a sound way to play? and if so, ho to play it?

Thanks

As far as the Pass/Don't Pass bets themselves are concerned, it is a method whereby you take a casino game where you MIGHT lose, and turn it into a game where losing is an absolute certainty.

The odds bets and the buy the 10 bets have their own separate outcomes and EVs.

The doey don't style of betting is suppose to get you past the come out roll to take advantage of the free odds. However, you lose when 12 is rolled on the comeout. If you hedge it, you're paying the HA up-front. If you don't take advantage of the odds, you're neutral and essentially don't make anything after the comeout.

Here's a tidbit that no one has mentioned yet. Pit bosses tend to underrate your action when you play the doey don't system. They know you're offsetting your bets even though you assume a HA. On a $10 min table, betting doey don't, I doubt you get rated at $20 action.

I've played Pass/Don't Pass a few times but only so that I could roll the dice. While it's not an overall smart way to play it does get me to roll the dice and even out most of the time on those bets. I usually make most of my money on the place bets and sometimes on the hard ways.

Quote: MrWildCard

I've played Pass/Don't Pass a few times but only so that I could roll the dice. While it's not an overall smart way to play it does get me to roll the dice and even out most of the time on those bets. I usually make most of my money on the place bets and sometimes on the hard ways.

I won't lie..I'll do this with a friend (one will play do, one will play don't) if the table limits are too high for our likings (say if it's all $10 games, and THOSE are full, we'll go to the $25 game and play.)