JB
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June 15th, 2017 at 6:45:59 AM permalink
Quote: docbrock

L2, L4, 9, L8

The traditional way would actually set this as 3/Gong, as the TW has an exception that if the choice is between Gong and Wong, and the Gong has any 3-point low hand, play the Gong instead of the Wong. However, not all casinos implement this exception, and/or not all dealers are aware of it, so some will play it as 2/Wong.

Regarding my simple/advanced strategies, it's another case of where a simplified strategy will necessarily have errors, since optimal strategy is complex. (Even the advanced strategy is simplified compared to optimal.)

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Here.
FCBLComish
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June 15th, 2017 at 8:15:52 AM permalink
Quote: docbrock

I ran into an interesting hand playing Tiles a couple days ago. If I'm looking at it right, it seems like a typical house way gives the optimal play, JB simple gives the second best play and JB advanced gives the third best. The hand is L2, L4, 9, L8. Has anyone else come across this particular deal before?

House way -> 2/Wong

JB Simple -> 6/7
(Play the best low hand if it is worth 6 or 7 points and the tiles include a low-2 and/or high-8.)

(Play a Low 8 Gong whenever possible, except when you also have a High 8 and cannot use it to make a low hand of 7 or better. If given a choice between 2 and 12, play the 12 in the high hand.)

Possibly a rare exception that just has to be memorized?

Most casino house ways for this hand are as follows:

Usually, unless you can play a high 3 or better in the low hand, you go with the stronger top, 2/Wong.

If either the 4 or the 8 were high instead of low, then 3/gong becomes correct.
Wizard
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June 15th, 2017 at 9:27:20 AM permalink
BTW, I can confirm the Lucky Dragon has one pai gow table.
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docbrock
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June 15th, 2017 at 7:18:22 PM permalink
Quote: JB

The traditional way would actually set this as 3/Gong, as the TW has an exception that if the choice is between Gong and Wong, and the Gong has any 3-point low hand, play the Gong instead of the Wong. However, not all casinos implement this exception, and/or not all dealers are aware of it, so some will play it as 2/Wong.

Regarding my simple/advanced strategies, it's another case of where a simplified strategy will necessarily have errors, since optimal strategy is complex. (Even the advanced strategy is simplified compared to optimal.)

Ah, I wasn't aware of that exception in the traditional way. I was under the impression that a typical house way would play any 2 with a 7, 8 or 9, in that order of priority, so long as the play resulted in a low hand of 3 with a Chong (high-6 tile) or better. If the play resulted in a low hand that was weaker than a 3 with a Chong, then the house way would play the best high hand.

So with L2 L4 9 L8, playing the gong would result in a low hand of 3 (L4 9), but the three would be one rank weaker than a 3 with a Chong tile, so the house would play the Wong instead.
TigerWu
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June 16th, 2017 at 8:28:46 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

BTW, I can confirm the Lucky Dragon has one pai gow table.

What was the minimum? When I was there on like a Friday afternoon it was \$15 and totally dead. Then again, the whole casino was pretty much dead.

I'm really curious to see how much Tile action Resorts World is going to have when/if they ever open, since they are supposed to be catering to the Asian market as well.
Wizard
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June 16th, 2017 at 9:13:27 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

What was the minimum? When I was there on like a Friday afternoon it was \$15 and totally dead. Then again, the whole casino was pretty much dead.

I forgot to check. This was on a Tuesday around 11 AM and the table was standing dead as most of them were.
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chaunceyb3
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June 16th, 2017 at 11:05:03 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I forgot to check. This was on a Tuesday around 11 AM and the table was standing dead as most of them were.

Lucky Dragon actually has 2 Pai Gow Tiles tables. I played there on Monday between 4-8PM, both tables were open (with 3-4 players at each table), \$25.00 minimum.

The house way seems to be typical: High 6 rule for 3 point low hands, H8 11 H10 7 is played 7/9.

\$15.00 minimum (!) Macau-Style Baccarat also available for those who enjoy squeezing cards.

Also saw someone selling BTC at a Bitcoin ATM near the Lucky Dragon Player's Club.