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January 26th, 2017 at 10:04:02 PM permalink
I saw my third field trial game in a week yesterday at the Gold Coast. It is called Chinese War. Given the tensions in the straight of Taiwan, and our current isolationist "America first" stance, I think we may be talking about a real Chinese war pretty soon. For now, we can talk about this new card game. For what I think is supposed to be a simple game of picking a Tiger or Dragon, it is rather hard to explain. It took me about 30 minutes of playing to understand all seven bets. At least I hope I understand them correctly. So, please see my new page on...

Chinese War

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The question for the poll is which statements do you agree with (multiple votes allowed)?
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:18:14 AM permalink
If it took the Wizard half an hour to figure it out, what chance do mere mortals have? I'll pass...
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January 27th, 2017 at 6:27:07 AM permalink
Did anyone fight about the different Ace rules from the base game to the war bet? That one should be fun if it comes up with a lot of money on the side wager....

I saw you express that the Ace is high or low for all bets but the war bets, but you may want to specify that its only high for the war bet...
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January 27th, 2017 at 7:27:25 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

If it took the Wizard half an hour to figure it out, what chance do mere mortals have? I'll pass...



It didn't help that the dealer spoke extremely poor English and I didn't have my glasses to read the rack card, which uses a very small font. Otherwise, with a good dealer and good eyes I could have picked it up in 15 minutes.
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January 27th, 2017 at 8:09:23 AM permalink
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Did anyone fight about the different Ace rules from the base game to the war bet? That one should be fun if it comes up with a lot of money on the side wager....



I was the only player there. Yes, I agree that it is confusing that for some bets aces are scored as in blackjack and as in poker for others.
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January 27th, 2017 at 11:17:09 AM permalink
So, when a Tie occurs, which one wins, Dragon or Tiger? :-)))
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January 27th, 2017 at 11:58:00 AM permalink
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So, when a Tie occurs, which one wins, Dragon or Tiger? :-)))



The Banker...
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January 27th, 2017 at 12:21:15 PM permalink
Who is the Banker? U meant the house / casino. Thanks.
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January 27th, 2017 at 1:25:10 PM permalink
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Who is the Banker? U meant the house / casino. Thanks.



I was just joking, but the real answer is the house. Ties lose in this game, unless you bet it.
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January 27th, 2017 at 1:42:08 PM permalink
Do you think it is possible to gain an edge by tracking the 8's then cashing in on the side bet? There's alot of decks in the shoe.
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January 27th, 2017 at 2:35:18 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

with a good dealer and good eyes I could have picked it up in 15 minutes.

So much for the 30 second rule ...
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January 27th, 2017 at 3:32:10 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Do you think it is possible to gain an edge by tracking the 8's then cashing in on the side bet? There's alot of decks in the shoe.



Yes, absolutely.

I forgot to mention the bet limits. The Dragon and Tiger are $5 to $100. All others, including the Lucky 8 bets, are $1-$10, So, it wouldn't be a practical use of anybody's time.

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So much for the 30 second rule ...



Yep. This was the most complicated simple game I've ever seen.
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January 27th, 2017 at 3:40:05 PM permalink
Te basic game seems to be X + Y - Z. It sounds simple but I remember playing a Blackjack Variant that had a customised deck with negative numbers and it became fairly confusing for the dealer. I can't see the advantage of playing this since (a) it's essentially like Player/Banker and (b) seems to have worse House Edge, However it's different so some people may like it - but not my cup of tea.
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:31:05 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

Te basic game seems to be X + Y - Z. It sounds simple but I remember playing a Blackjack Variant that had a customised deck with negative numbers and it became fairly confusing for the dealer. I can't see the advantage of playing this since (a) it's essentially like Player/Banker and (b) seems to have worse House Edge, However it's different so some people may like it - but not my cup of tea.



Yeah, I've never seen a game with negative points before. The dealer was quite slow in doing the x+y-z calculation. I would imagine dealer errors would be a concern, at least with my dealer. I had to help her lots of times (yes, I was honest).

In other news, if my rules were not clear, here is the rack card. I don't think I've ever seen so much information conveyed on a rack card before.

side 1
side 2
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:36:26 PM permalink
According to this article Steep Hurdle For Success, training the dealers was "a bit of a challenge"...that would normally be an indicator that the game might be a bit too complex.
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:43:12 PM permalink
Since the "Tie" requires a forced "Dragon" or "Tiger" base bet that will lose if the Tie wins, should the house edge be even higher?
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January 27th, 2017 at 5:50:33 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

According to this article Steep Hurdle For Success, training the dealers was "a bit of a challenge"...that would normally be an indicator that the game might be a bit too complex.

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January 27th, 2017 at 6:57:07 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Since the "Tie" requires a forced "Dragon" or "Tiger" base bet that will lose if the Tie wins, should the house edge be even higher?



No. I generally analyze each bet independently. Sometimes, they are tied together, like the Ante and Blind bets in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, in which case I analyze them at the same time.
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January 27th, 2017 at 11:31:48 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

No. I generally analyze each bet independently. Sometimes, they are tied together, like the Ante and Blind bets in Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em, in which case I analyze them at the same time.


Thanks Wizard. It is odd that the game forces a loss instead of a push. It discouurages me from playing.
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