Paigowdan
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September 23rd, 2016 at 3:10:22 PM permalink
Just a note on this: the use of a dealer's pai gow hand (any Pai Gow Hand) to push for a house edge mechanism is owed by Lubin-Jones LLC, on games distributed by Shuffle Master, even if mixed with additional game gimmicks or mechanisms. No biggie, but they should have checked/vetted the concept first.
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Wizardofnothing
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September 23rd, 2016 at 3:30:22 PM permalink
I'd fly out for this
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y2d2
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September 23rd, 2016 at 5:50:56 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I'd fly out for this


I guess I'm the other sucker who feels the same.

What % of times will you be able to change the outcome from push to win, or lose to push? Seems like it's higher than expected
Paigowdan
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September 23rd, 2016 at 6:04:16 PM permalink
It's a lot; many two pair hands such as Kx/5522x can be played for a win or a saving push, In fact just about any hand two pairs or better can be helped. 67% of the hands are one pair or less, which can only be played one way, but over 33% of the hands are multi-path hands with two or more reasonable settings that are help by seeing the dealer's set..
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y2d2
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September 23rd, 2016 at 6:11:18 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

It's a lot; many two pair hands such as Kx/5522x can be played for a win or a saving push, In fact just about any hand two pairs or better can be helped. 67% of the hands are one pair or less, which can only be played one way, but over 33% of the hands are multi-path hands with two or more reasonable settings that are help by seeing the dealer's set..


I'm curious whether the dealer is allowed to assist the player in setting the hand in the optimal way based on dealer's set hand. Or if they play "blind house way" for the player. Because you KNOW there will still be 100% clueless players who don't know how to set their hand even in light of dealer card information.
y2d2
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September 23rd, 2016 at 6:15:21 PM permalink
I'm planning on going back tonight, let me know if any of you guys are close and want to check it out.

Funny thing is I found this table by accident. I've walked by it before, but easily skipped it and wrote it off as some new silly side bet variant of pai gow. I sat down after running bad at a regular PGP table, placed a bet, and saw the dealer flip over his cards before I even had a chance to look at mine. I flipped out, "I haven't even looked at my hand yet! WTF?!"
y2d2
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September 23rd, 2016 at 6:25:57 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

67% of the hands are one pair or less, which can only be played one way


Unconventional kicker plays should be noted. It's not very frequent, but does come up occasionally.

For instance

AJ/55789 vs dealer's AK/5567J

And of course sometimes splitting one-pair Queens, Kings, and Aces (and rarely tens and jacks) for a saving push or win

Would it be safe to say that at least 5% of the time, the outcomes will be changed from standard blind play? Since a lot of the 33% of 2pair+ hands play themselves anyways. And adding some for 1 pair or less hands that can still be saved.
Last edited by: y2d2 on Sep 23, 2016
andysif
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September 23rd, 2016 at 6:58:35 PM permalink
Just for your information, in the 80's Macao had a similar game that's played with 13 cards (3-5-5)

Normally the game pays 1 to 1, Bank wins ties, no commission (I think. too young, don't know)

One day someone came up with an idea: The bank will set and show its hands first. The catch is: if the player wins, it pays only 1/2.

Many people fall for that, and the bank makes a killing. eventually nobody is foolish enough to play it anymore. but maybe that gives and idea how much of an advantage people perceived of that rule.
y2d2
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September 23rd, 2016 at 7:28:47 PM permalink
Well this pays 95%, not 50%
Paradigm
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September 23rd, 2016 at 8:00:15 PM permalink
Game website says 1.60% HE. 7 Up Pai Gow
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