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DrawingDead
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March 8th, 2016 at 9:25:19 PM permalink
There's the immortal story about the guy who supposedly paid a hooker with a tournament chip or chips. (For non-poker players: Tournament chips are plastic, clearly different than any other type of chip, and have absolutely no cash value whatsoever outside of a tournament table - while likely having some astronomical number on them as you get late in a tournament near the final table. And if there's really any working girl in Las Vegas who doesn't know this, she's made a p*ss poor effort of reading her basic entry level job description.)

Like the bad beat jackpot story, I've heard it in several slightly different versions with very specific individuals said to be involved that are described as having occurred in different years and in different casinos, from Riverside in Laughlin to the Orleans on West Tropicana in Las Vegas. I think I've probably heard the hooker/chip story most often in connection with Planet Hollywood.

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They are taking advantage of a rule specifically made to detect cheating. Some poker rooms have made it so that you specifically have to claim you suspect someone is cheating.

Yes. This. And a good idea to add the extra bit to discourage numbskull abuse. For example Harrah's Las Vegas is one of them that several years ago started requiring someone invoking the "I Want To See The Hand" rule to first have the dealer call the floor and explain to the manager exactly why they're accusing the player of cheating. People hear of the rule, start abusing it with no clue what it is actually supposed to be about, start feeling entitled to do it, some clueless dealers believe whatever the regular nit who tips them believes, and it gets way out of control in no time.
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Nevermind.
AxelWolf
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March 8th, 2016 at 10:57:48 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

There's the immortal story about the guy who supposedly paid a hooker with a tournament chip or chips. (For non-poker players: Tournament chips are plastic, clearly different than any other type of chip, and have absolutely no cash value whatsoever outside of a tournament table - while likely having some astronomical number on them as you get late in a tournament near the final table. And if there's really any working girl in Las Vegas who doesn't know this, she's made a p*ss poor effort of reading her basic entry level job description.)

Like the bad beat jackpot story, I've heard it in several slightly different versions with very specific individuals said to be involved that are described as having occurred in different years and in different casinos, from Riverside in Laughlin to the Orleans on West Tropicana in Las Vegas. I think I've probably heard the hooker/chip story most often in connection with Planet Hollywood.

Yes. This. And a good idea to add the extra bit to discourage numbskull abuse. For example Harrah's Las Vegas is one of them that several years ago started requiring someone invoking the "I Want To See The Hand" rule to first have the dealer call the floor and explain to the manager exactly why they're accusing the player of cheating. People hear of the rule, start abusing it with no clue what it is actually supposed to be about, start feeling entitled to do it, some clueless dealers believe whatever the regular nit who tips them believes, and it gets way out of control in no time.

The paying hookers/strippers with fake chips is almost certainly true. There were/are some $500 & $100 chips being sold that look like they are from the Luxor, they say pyramid. They look very real as if they are from the Luxor.

I have some $500 pyramid chips in my collection. So I took note when I heard this. IIRC there's an article about this very subject.

Apparently a few guys would hang out near the Luxor with some story, not sure what story they used, but i can imagine it was something like this...I'm not 21, I got tossed out, I have a plane to catch, please help i'm desperate!!

They would ask people to cash them, however they wanted some low amount of earnest money. Obviously anything over $5 would cover the chip cost. Someone being offered half of 2k would probably be willing to give up $200 in earnest money. Even better for the conman, find someone who's a greedy thief themselves who plans on keeping all the money for themselves.

Honestly If I was young and didn't know any better and someone had what I thought were legitimate chip with the I'm not 21 story. If they offered me 50% of 3k and I only had to give up $200 I would probably jump on it.

There's been legitimate chip cashing opportunity's so it's not far fetched.

$100 pyramid chip.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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March 8th, 2016 at 11:09:27 PM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead



Yes. This. And a good idea to add the extra bit to discourage numbskull abuse. For example Harrah's Las Vegas is one of them that several years ago started requiring someone invoking the "I Want To See The Hand" rule to first have the dealer call the floor and explain to the manager exactly why they're accusing the player of cheating. People hear of the rule, start abusing it with no clue what it is actually supposed to be about, start feeling entitled to do it, some clueless dealers believe whatever the regular nit who tips them believes, and it gets way out of control in no time.

not to get off track, but if someone bets and gets called do you think the caller should have to show if the bettor asks? Personally I do, but that's just because I want to see what they are willing to call me with. Especially when they have something like top pair calling a big bet. Different houses have different rules on this. I think the Rio recently changed to NO?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DrawingDead
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March 8th, 2016 at 11:59:57 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

not to get off track, but if someone bets and gets called do you think the caller should have to show if the bettor asks? Personally I do, but that's just because I want to see what they are willing to call me with. Especially when they have something like top pair calling a big bet. Different houses have different rules on this. I think the Rio recently changed to NO?

No, I'm not with you on that. The bettor making the last 'aggressive action' that was being called yes, they need to table their hand. The caller, not necessarily, not if they're surrendering their hand and the pot. But be careful what you wish for. People do make a lot of mistakes reading the board, and until the cards have been surrendered and the hand has been formally 'killed' by the dealer they could still get a surprise win of the pot that was about to be pushed to you due to their mistaken belief of what they thought they and/or you really had with the final board on the river. Or, it could be a chopped (split or tied) pot that they thought they'd lost because they didn't see that something was counterfeited by the board that looked like a 'bigger' hand when the bettor confidently tabled it.

EDIT to add: Of course, this assumes it is a cash game. In a tournament you don't have the option of surrendering a pot if you are not facing a decision on any further betting action. To prevent the form of collusion known as "chip dumping" and because the outcome potentially affects the position of everyone else still in the tourney.

I also think it gets douchey even in a cash game if players are 'all-in' on an earlier betting round for anyone to delay tabling their hand while the dealer runs out the rest of the board.
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AxelWolf
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March 10th, 2016 at 7:59:07 AM permalink
I haven't had that happen because i'm fairly certain I have the best hand, I wouldn't bother asking someone I felt could make that mistake .I have been in a situation where a player tosses his hand face down and someone sitting next to them mentions they have xyz and the cards get turned over and I lose the pot. I have even seen hands get pulled out of the muck and get paid.
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I heard a woman won a small drawing at a casino close to the border. She didn't have ID at the time, she had 24 hours to come back with ID and collect. When she came back it showed her passport had expired so she was deported back to Mexico. I think I do believe this one to be true.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 12th, 2016 at 9:38:16 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I heard a woman won a small drawing at a casino close to the border. She didn't have ID at the time, she had 24 hours to come back with ID and collect. When she came back it showed her passport had expired so she was deported back to Mexico. I think I do believe this one to be true.



File this under "So you think YOU got a bad beat..."
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March 27th, 2016 at 11:14:22 PM permalink
In the 90's at Foxwoods, before the Pai Gow Poker side-bets started to appear,

ME: 8-8-8-8-2/5-5
Dealer: Royal in clubs/A-A Natural

The 2nd best hand I ever got dealt, and pounded.
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March 16th, 2017 at 8:36:40 AM permalink
We were playing Blackjack late one evening at the Hilton, when it was still the Hilton. Guy walks up, tall guy with a large build, wearing a baseball cap. Drops a beer in the cup holder and sits down. Buys in and we all resume playing. Floor manager takes notice and ask him for his ID. Without hesitation he goes to his wallet and hands it over, saying "I just turned 21 an hour ago." Floor manager looks at his ID, then at her watch, then says "Yes you did, in Florida, but in Nevada you're still 20 for another 45 minutes." She reached across the table and picked up his beer. They then reversed out his buy in and walked him to the cage.
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March 16th, 2017 at 9:39:26 AM permalink
I was told this as if it happened to the person telling it, but then read almost the same story in a gambling publication a few years later as occurring to someone else. I have no idea if it ever happened to anyone, but it's a cool story.

BJ pro plays in a small Indian casino in a rural area. Wins $3500 before he starts drawing intense heat. When he goes to cash out, they insist on ID, and after getting it they slow to a crawl. They insist a manager has to sign off on it and they can't find him. Twenty minutes or so goes by and he gets paid. He walks out to the parking lot and where his car was parked is a now vacant spot with still wet blue paint and a newly installed handicap parking only sign. It cost him all or most of his winnings to get his car back.
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March 16th, 2017 at 10:00:25 AM permalink
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BJ pro plays in a small Indian casino in a rural area. Wins $3500 before he starts drawing intense heat. When he goes to cash out, they insist on ID, and after getting it they slow to a crawl. They insist a manager has to sign off on it and they can't find him. Twenty minutes or so goes by and he gets paid. He walks out to the parking lot and where his car was parked is a now vacant spot with still wet blue paint and a newly installed handicap parking only sign. It cost him all or most of his winnings to get his car back.



If someone told me that story, I'd call BS immediately.

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