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April 26th, 2015 at 4:19:33 PM permalink


No, this is not DJTeddyBear's latest roulette side bet. It is a poker-based game in which deuces and a joker are wild. It involves a blind bet, no dealer opening hand, and a fold/raise decision. You can find all the rules plus my analysis and strategy at my new page on DJ Wild.

I saw the game at the New York New York on Thursday. The table was packed at the time and the players seemed to like it.

As always, I welcome comments, questions, suggestions, and especially corrections.

The question for the poll is would you play DJ Wild?
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April 26th, 2015 at 4:28:00 PM permalink
Definitely some potential in that game, I'd think.
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April 26th, 2015 at 4:34:26 PM permalink
Should say "hands are ranked highest to lowest" no?
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April 26th, 2015 at 4:37:59 PM permalink
I watched a bunch of hands at Greektown a few weeks ago. The players seemed to like it. I mentioned it in the Detroit casino thread. Would I play it? No, unless... :-X
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April 26th, 2015 at 5:46:16 PM permalink
I wonder if there's a "disc jockey" that goes by the name DJ Wild in vegas. It would seem fitting for out here.
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April 26th, 2015 at 6:15:14 PM permalink
The frequency of getting paid on the Blind bet seems to be about 1 in 17 hands. Wiz, did you figure out what the RTP on the Blind bet only? Wonder how it compares to the Blind RTP in UTH?
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April 26th, 2015 at 7:06:25 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

The frequency of getting paid on the Blind bet seems to be about 1 in 17 hands. Wiz, did you figure out what the RTP on the Blind bet only? Wonder how it compares to the Blind RTP in UTH?



I'm surprised it's only 1 in 17. With 5 wild cards to work with, and starting with the same threshold as in UTH, I would've guessed it would be about 1 hand in 5 would qualify, with maybe 20-25% of those losing to a better dealer hand. Total SWAG on the numbers, but 1 in 17 seems really low.

EDIT: ok, I take it back; I ran the numbers, and Paradigm is on target. Sure feels like better than 1 in 17 to play it, but it must be the 5 out of 5 cards (rather than 5 out of 7 like UTH) that makes such a difference in frequency (all Blind pay hands use 5 cards except 4OAK).
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April 26th, 2015 at 7:17:55 PM permalink
Looks awesome! hope they bring it to STL sometime! I LOVE wild cards! It's kind of a shame that only Pai Gow uses the joker as far as common games go, they should use the joker more often! glad to see the most fun card in the deck getting more use.
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April 27th, 2015 at 5:15:58 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard



No, this is not DJTeddyBear's latest roulette side bet.

Sigh, no. But I'll take the eye-candy!

I have only one comment about the review. You list the odds of the five wilds as 0.000000 . Shouldn't you list that as <0.000001 ?

No, I wouldn't play. Way too carnival for my tastes.
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April 27th, 2015 at 5:50:11 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You list the odds of the five wilds as 0.000000 . Shouldn't you list that as <0.000001 ?



It just rounds to 0.000000 to six decimal places. The actual probability 1/combin(53,5) = 0.0000003484703.
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April 27th, 2015 at 5:51:10 AM permalink
Interesting. I stayed at NYNY end of March and the table was always empty, the rack was always completely full of chips, and the dealers always looked miserable. I thought it looked like a failure. Never even saw them raise the table above a $5 minimum, even on weekend nights.
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April 27th, 2015 at 5:54:58 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

The frequency of getting paid on the Blind bet seems to be about 1 in 17 hands. Wiz, did you figure out what the RTP on the Blind bet only? Wonder how it compares to the Blind RTP in UTH?



The Blind wins with probability 5.98%, or 1 in 16.7 hands. The expected LOSS on the Blind is 38.2%.
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April 27th, 2015 at 6:24:59 AM permalink
I noticed it at Horseshoe Cleveland when I was passing through a couple of months ago. They had two tables and both were jammed with people waiting for seats. I'd try it, since strategy seems simple enough. I'd be curious as to how much the pit worries about collusion in this game.
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April 27th, 2015 at 3:38:22 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

The Blind wins with probability 5.98%, or 1 in 16.7 hands. The expected LOSS on the Blind is 38.2%.


Yeah, that seems a bit steep to me and will impact the feel of the game to the player, IMHO. I believe the Super Bonus in Crazy Four with its -0.34 RTP gets paid about twice as often.

I don't know what the limitations are on using a mandatory highly negative compensating bet as the mechanism to claw back HE, but DJ Wild has to be getting close with its Blind set up. That being said, the only opinion that matters is the players voting with their $$$ and that seems to be working so far.
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:13:22 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Yeah, that seems a bit steep to me and will impact the feel of the game to the player, IMHO. I believe the Super Bonus in Crazy Four with its -0.34 RTP gets paid about twice as often.



I'm hoping to play at the NYNY this evening to get a better feeling for the "fun factor." Anybody want to join me?

I must admit that before I heard of Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em I would have been skeptical of this idea of mandating a very negative side bet. I considered such an idea for my own Ties Win Blackjack, but only briefly, as I didn't want to complicate the game and I thought forcing a side bet would seem like a jip.

However, I would have been proven wrong. UTHE is a big success. Players don't seem to view the Blind as a mandated side bet but as a natural part of the game. Multiple times I've heard players debate about how the casino gets its edge in the game. I've tried to explain that it comes from the Blind bet, which rarely wins, but of course other players look at me like I'm just another clown who doesn't know what he's talking about.
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:25:25 PM permalink
Wish I could join you.....I think the fact that this Blind bet rarely gets paid (the 1 in 17 hands frequency) is going to highlight the bad bet component of this game's blind. Wiz, I didn't see on UTH and it is quite a task to add up that results pay table (unlike the Crazy Four Blind pay table results), how frequently does the UTH Blind get paid? I know the expectation is like -0.31, but if it got paid like one in 7-8 hands, that would be disguised to the player.
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:39:50 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Wish I could join you.....I think the fact that this Blind bet rarely gets paid (the 1 in 17 hands frequency) is going to highlight the bad bet component of this game's blind. Wiz, I didn't see on UTH and it is quite a task to add up that results pay table (unlike the Crazy Four Blind pay table results), how frequently does the UTH Blind get paid? I know the expectation is like -0.31, but if it got paid like one in 7-8 hands, that would be disguised to the player.


In UTH, the blind hits 8.74% of the time, or once in 11 hands or so, so that during a typical session, you are subliminally aware enough "that it pays," that it feels like a positive bet to make.

It's when the negative prop bet hit frequency exceeds this 1 in 11-or-so hands by too much that we become aware that "it ain't really paying." But the blind bet allows the Raise feature, which is what we really notice - getting paid on the raises, but the blind bet must not be essentially dead all the time, or else its disguise wears off and it becomes noticed that it is functioning as a heavy vig or commission for that raise feature.

I don't know if it is too rare on DJ Wild, time and patronage will tell.
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April 27th, 2015 at 4:43:12 PM permalink
I think the mindset of the player is how much did he win/loss in total. He doesn't care which bet it came from or why. I bet if an errant dealer didn't mandate the players make the blind bet in UTHE, most players will would.
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April 27th, 2015 at 9:00:26 PM permalink
I tend to agree with the 1 in 11 threshold......sort of like a side bet, anything less than that starts to feel like a sucking sound on your bankroll. With UTH you also get that 4X raise (HUH gives you the 3X raise). DJ Wild is a 2X raise and a less frequent pay on the Blind..... but as PGD says, it will come down to patronage!
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April 27th, 2015 at 10:17:59 PM permalink
I played for about an hour this evening. The table was running cold so the excitement level was subdued. One thing that struck me was the pace of the game was very slow. Normally casinos put their worst dealers on field trial games, which may partially explain it. One thing that could speed up the game is if the player folds then he automatically loses his Trips bet. It wasted a lot of time to check the hands of players who folded for a win on the Trips. If a player had a paying trips hand, then he probably isn't going to fold to begin with.

Nevertheless, the table had a couple die hard players who I think had been playing it a long time. Another player looked like a boxer who was there for the big fight. He just sat there and played -- very badly -- raising on garbage.
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April 27th, 2015 at 10:34:15 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm hoping to play at the NYNY this evening to get a better feeling for the "fun factor." Anybody want to join me?

I must admit that before I heard of Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em I would have been skeptical of this idea of mandating a very negative side bet.



Hey it worked out well for Lunar Poker too mandating that Super bet, I love that game! They need to make a 7 card stud table game with a joker and a wild jack of clubs (or whatever is wild in that one version of stud) that would be freaking cool! Like I said before, we need more games with wild cards so I really hope DJ Wild makes it out my way, based on your experience can you see it becoming more widespread?
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May 17th, 2015 at 3:32:25 AM permalink
I played it for a good session tonight, 11PM to 1AM.

Very Decent. Fun, easy to deal and play, no dealer had a problem.

And, I was on constant anticipation of getting dealt wilds. I must admit, the anticipation of getting a few wild cards was a draw as a player; I was thinking about it every time I was getting my cards, - as the first thing to look for in the hand. This was a bit counter-balanced by frequently seeing the dealer get them. [Once, the dealer had a wild quint 7's - three deuces, a joker, and a 7. People screamed, but that's rare.]

Because wilds are so big in this game, I did appreciate the higher payouts for natural good hands. The layout pay tables were well designed with a natural payouts to the right of the wild payout on the same payout line; having a 16-line paytable is a chore, so, this was an elegant solution. Plus, I saw a lot of natural trips, so the added natural payouts were sweet. In $500, out $300 hours later, but had fun, no regrets.

It was a Saturday night at NYNY, and the game was a little bit slow. I bought in on a dead game, and played for 10 minutes when two guys, apparently friends, jumped on for a half-hour. Aside from that, it was just me, and later my wife joined.

Overall, very fine, but not UTH-level compelling, yet way better and near the top of the sea of new game field trials this spring, of a crop of five.

Good points:
1. As a player-versus-dealer game, it had very good give and take. Winning every other hand on average means a lot, which asks why play table games like MS, LIR, and the like that are rough, especially if multiple units to play out the hand. No "paytable sweat-the-win" here. Actually, it feels like Crazy4Poker to play, which is good. Minimum hand? 4's. Try it, face the dealer, win half the time, and find yourself a streak or a big hand, - more likely either way with wilds present.
2. This game has GREAT "Poker Eye effect:" you can see your playing position strength, how strong you are from what's dealt. No counting outs, no heavy strategy like Double Draw Poker, etc. Got a pair of 4's? Okay, play, else fold. Very sensible and straightforward play with a combination of anticipation [of getting wilds], and a decision point [to Play/fold].
3. Dealer always qualifies: Scratch out a win, especially when you gamble on a borderline hand, - your Ante is always paid, too. Much appreciated.
4. Games like this, [and High Card Flush and Poker with a Joker] that are getting traction may help to finally kill off old dogs like LIR, MS, etc. Evolution is relentless.
5. Easy to jump onto for slot players who dabble on table games, like my wife. They know what wild deuces are. "I have a King and two deuces - so that's trips - play it!" That's part of the appeal and sensibility of the game.
6. The lack of the raise bet really helps players to play by correct strategy, and keeps them in the game. On a new game, not knowing when to raise when a raise is a "should do" burns out players for the abandonment of the game. In this way it is a "safe" game like Three Card Poker, and not a rough game like Double Draw Poker, which had a lot of casualties and abandonment.

"Neutrals:"
1. One can say that this might Cannibalize SHFL's older games that are still on the floor with these newer games replacing them. So what. This is actually not a con: If DEQ, Galaxy or AGS were to cannibalize their games, however, then that would be SHFL problem to allow a market share loss. This replacement scenario may be just updating the portfolio and cycling in better products to maintain market share, which is a win in a competitive industry. In this regard, and if DJ Wild becomes popular, it'll serve both expansion and maintenance to remove the obsolete, which is something every company does to shore up things. It if just swaps out the older stuff, then every such replacement keeps the operator in the fold, even if not a blockbuster.
2. Decent, but not awesome.

Other:
1. No raise: play 2x or fold, pick one. Again, so what, but the raise would be nice, and is desirable for top-level players who can play strategy. But this also promotes the Trip plus to be bet, to win bigger on big hands, which is a plus for the operator. Plus, adding a raise would have sacrificed the nice "Dealer always qualifies" feature and the blind bet pay table, so this is a good solution.
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May 17th, 2015 at 8:57:35 AM permalink
Does anyone else think it's a little wierd that 5 of a kind beats a straight flush and loses to a royal?
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May 17th, 2015 at 8:59:54 AM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

Does anyone else think it's a little wierd that 5 of a kind beats a straight flush and loses to a royal?


Isn't it in between the two in DW video poker? Yes I know there is no joker there but still...
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May 17th, 2015 at 11:34:05 AM permalink
Quote: bigfoot66

Does anyone else think it's a little wierd that 5 of a kind beats a straight flush and loses to a royal?

The knee-jerk reaction is that a Royal is nothing but a specific Straight Flush, so why slip the Five of a Kind in-between?

But once you give the Royal it's own payline, it's quite acceptable to put the next item ranked by probability on the next line.

I.E. 5oak is more more likely than a Royal, but less likely than a SF.
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May 17th, 2015 at 1:36:49 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

The knee-jerk reaction is that a Royal is nothing but a specific Straight Flush, so why slip the Five of a Kind in-between?

But once you give the Royal it's own payline, it's quite acceptable to put the next item ranked by probability on the next line.

I.E. 5oak is more more likely than a Royal, but less likely than a SF.


They are allowed to structure the game however they want. But I can't see this flying in a live poker game. Also a royal is just a certain type of straight flush. It is just as hard to make a 5-9 straight flush as a royal.
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May 30th, 2015 at 6:08:37 PM permalink
Not sure how often you update the WOO page, but in California this game is at Red Hawk Casino in Placerville. Not sure which paytables are in use, but did see it there about a month ago (table was open and a couple of people were playing, midweek, midday)
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May 30th, 2015 at 8:27:47 PM permalink
Seems fun. Glad they didn't make the trips bet rediculous HE. I'll try it next time I'm in Vegas.
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One of my favorites!
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One of my favorites!

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September 26th, 2016 at 11:34:08 AM permalink
I am heading to Vegas next week. I heard that DJ Wild is at Harrah's now. Is there any truth to that? Is it anywhere else in town? Thanks for the heads up in advance.
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September 26th, 2016 at 12:41:04 PM permalink
Quote: BirdiemachineDF

I am heading to Vegas next week. I heard that DJ Wild is at Harrah's now. Is there any truth to that? Is it anywhere else in town? Thanks for the heads up in advance.



I can verify that it was there Labor Day weekend when I was there.

I don't think the table is open 24/7 though...
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September 26th, 2016 at 1:09:23 PM permalink
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I can verify that it was there Labor Day weekend when I was there.

I don't think the table is open 24/7 though...





Sorry to be a pest, but did it have the two way bad beat and trips side bets? Did you also see the table minimums? Thanks for your helo
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September 26th, 2016 at 5:50:33 PM permalink
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Sorry to be a pest, but did it have the two way bad beat and trips side bets? Did you also see the table minimums? Thanks for your helo



$5 mins.

I have no idea about the side bets, I didn't look that closely. I just saw the table in passing a few times as I was going to and from the monorail station.
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January 22nd, 2017 at 10:31:19 AM permalink
Harrahs has the 2way. The bad beat is the real money
Maker in this game . I just hit Quads vs straight flush for 300:1 on my 20 bucks.

You will not Come out ahead just banking on winning hands it is hard to play for a long time and a small bankroll . I enjoy it here in Cleveland and at harrahs .
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January 22nd, 2017 at 2:25:27 PM permalink
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You can find all the rules plus my analysis and strategy at my new page on DJ Wild.


Update, Greektown no longer has DJ Wild. Hollywood Toledo did but not sure if they still do.
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May 25th, 2017 at 9:49:13 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Quote: Wizard

You can find all the rules plus my analysis and strategy at my new page on DJ Wild.


Update, Greektown no longer has DJ Wild. Hollywood Toledo did but not sure if they still do.



I was just at Hollywood on Tuesday and I played it for the first time. Didn't do well but still had fun.
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March 9th, 2019 at 1:08:11 AM permalink
Thunder Valley Casino near Sacramento, California is advertising this game. I'll try to visit soon.

Question about strategy on the WOO page:
Raise with a pair of fours or better, except with two fours and a three singleton. Otherwise fold.

I don't understand the "except with two fours and a three singleton" part—if you have two 4s and a 3, that's still a pair of fours or better. The next sentence is "The three singleton exception makes sense because a pair of fours will beat a pair of threes, and the chances of the dealer getting a pair of threes is significantly less with one of them in the player's hand."

Am I misinterpreting how it's written?

Oh wait, I think I'm getting it—you FOLD when you have a 3 because then it's unlikely the dealer has a pair of 3s, so having two 4s is less of an advantage? Is that it?
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March 9th, 2019 at 4:10:28 AM permalink
That's it. The 3 in your hand is one less for the dealer to have. The math makes that the tipping point between raise and fold.
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March 9th, 2019 at 8:44:38 AM permalink
This is a fun one. Enjoy.
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February 22nd, 2020 at 6:24:11 PM permalink
How often should you get a qualified trips hands with 5 wild cards. I’ve been getting crushed not playing trips, had several natural 4 of a kind and full houses, etc. I seem to get one 4 of a kind every hour. Back to back or up to 3 or 4 quads in an hour. I think you are better off playing trips in DJ vs playing Trips in UTH. Also getting paid off on the ante on every winning hand is huge, since the dealer does not have to qualify. So it’s equivalent to betting 3x on UTH. The beauty about this game is it allows you to vary your bets vs UTH which becomes difficult as it gets really expensive. The game goes in streaks, kind of like black and red in roulette or player vs banker in Baccarat. Bet the minimum when you lose, and when you win start pressing up to 3 or 6 times the minimum bet. I’ve been putting in massive hours in this game. No longer playing UTH.
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February 22nd, 2020 at 10:01:28 PM permalink
With 5 wild cards, you will get a qualified trips hands 22.0855% of the time.

See the table here: WOO
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February 23rd, 2020 at 3:52:52 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

With 5 wild cards, you will get a qualified trips hands 22.0855% of the time.

See the table here: WOO



So about 1 every 4 or 5 hands. I've begin to play them after the 5th non qualified hands. I think I went all the way up to 10 hands without trips, and after the 9th hand I bet $50 on the trips and $25 on the BB and ended up getting quads and the BB. But it rarely gets past 6 hands, and you will see at least trips
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December 19th, 2020 at 12:17:59 PM permalink
My local casino recently installed DJ Wild, however a couple of the dealers who are used to Caribbean Stud sometimes deal it with one of their cards face up. Does anyone know a strategy for this or if it is beatable?
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December 19th, 2020 at 4:44:17 PM permalink
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My local casino recently installed DJ Wild, however a couple of the dealers who are used to Caribbean Stud sometimes deal it with one of their cards face up. Does anyone know a strategy for this or if it is beatable?



Good question. I do not.
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December 19th, 2020 at 10:21:21 PM permalink
I saw this game at Granton casino and I even took a pamphlet of the game. I will share it with you guys. I never play any game I can't gain a greater edge than my edge in poker.

P.S. I think it's in storage, just need to find it.
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WTflush
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December 20th, 2020 at 7:04:40 AM permalink
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My local casino recently installed DJ Wild, however a couple of the dealers who are used to Caribbean Stud sometimes deal it with one of their cards face up. Does anyone know a strategy for this or if it is beatable?



For the life of me I can't remember where I saw it but somebody did the math on this and posted publicly that seeing one dealer card does not shift the edge to the players in this game. That info was not taking into consideration seeing the other players cards. With the covid rules it's probably dealt face up which I imagine will barely be enough to shift the edge in the players favor but developing a near-perfect intuitive strategy would be tough. The only 2 installations I knew about of this game disappeared shortly after the re-opening.

If anyone sufficiently skilled here is willing to do the simulation work (for a reasonable fee) let's talk.
charliepatrick
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December 20th, 2020 at 5:48:52 PM permalink
I'm sure running simulations is reasonable easy - as you just cycle through all the cards left, after looking at the other hands, to work out what the dealer might make each time. I believe there's already a report that suggested that casinos should not deal this with too many players.

Even if you knew the game was beatable, or near even money, simulations would work out when you should play/fold, but only give you totals that with lower hands you often played and higher hands you occasionally didn't.

I did this for 3-card poker once, depending on how many cards you peeked, you fairly often played less than Qxx and sometimes folded good Qxx's. I suspect for reasonable numbers, you always played Kxx.

I can imagine running simulations for this game would create a similar result.
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