Don't Pass but Play Numbers Too

Quote: konceptum

What if you played the Don't Pass with the Iron Cross? Theoretically, after the comeout roll, every number would be working for you. If you played the Iron Cross with $6 on the 6 and 8, $5 on the 5 and Field, I'm sure you could figure out how to work the Don't Pass with Odds to cover this bet should the 7-out come immediately.

$5 field, place the 6 for $6, place the 8 for $6, $31 NO 5

now you win $2 on 16 combinations, win $5 on 14 combinations, win $10 on 1 combination, win $15 on 1 combination, and lose $36 on 4 combinations.

2(16/36) + 5(14/36) + 10(1/36) + 15(1/36) - 36(4/36)

for an expected loss of 47.22cents per roll

A regular iron cross bet ($5 field, $5 place 5, $6 place 6, $6 place 8), only has an expected loss of 25 cents per roll.

What about the iron cross with a no-4, or no-10? How would that pan out, number-wise. (I can't figure out the no bets payouts, they always confuse me.)

Quote: konceptum

A regular iron cross bet ($5 field, $5 place 5, $6 place 6, $6 place 8), only has an expected loss of 25 cents per roll.

What about the iron cross with a no-4, or no-10? How would that pan out, number-wise. (I can't figure out the no bets payouts, they always confuse me.)

$22 iron cross with a $41 no 4 or no 10.

2(14/36)+5(11/36)+10(1/36)+15(1/36)-3(6/36)-36(3/36)

which works out nicely to -18/36 (90/36-108/36) for an expected loss of 50cents per roll.

So your no-5 was still better.

I played the other day, and wanting to play as cheaply as possible, I did this:

$5 Don't Pass, with double odds.

Once the point was made, place the 6 and 8 for $6 each. If the point was a 6 or 8, place the other for $12. At this point, a 7-out nets you a win of $3. Rolling the point is bad, of course.

When the 6 or 8 hits, go to $12 on that number. If the place is already at $12, then take the $14 and put $5 on the 5, and $5 on the field, to get your iron cross.

Personally, I like the iron cross with $12 on each of the 6 and 8, $5 on each of the field and 5. So, basically, I'm shooting for this configuration. If I won enough on the iron cross to cover my potential loss on the Don't Pass bet, then I'd start pressing the 5,6,8, one unit at a time.

Quote: rudeboyoi

$22 iron cross with a $41 no 4 or no 10.

2(14/36)+5(11/36)+10(1/36)+15(1/36)-3(6/36)-36(3/36)

which works out nicely to -18/36 (90/36-108/36) for an expected loss of 50cents per roll.

What do you mean no 4 or no 10?

Quote: IAchance5

What do you mean no 4 or no 10?

its like the reverse of a buy bet.

youre betting a seven will come up before the number shows.

they charge you a 5% commission up front on the total amount you can win so...

a NO 4 or NO 10 would be $41 to win $20.

a NO 5 or NO 9 would be $31 to win $20.

a NO 6 or NO 8 would be $25 to win $20.

Well, I'm 2 for 2 now! Just went back to the casino over the weekend.....bet the don't pass with single odds, and placed the 6 & 8.
I bought in for $80 and cashed out with $115 after 2 hours of play.....I think what has been helping me is that every time I win on my 6 or 8 place bet, I will take it down so that I am no longer risking it until the next point is rolled....

I use a similar strategy to this...

I start with a $200 bankroll. I place a $5 bet on the Dont Pass Bar. When the point is established, I lay $30 behind it (3x-4x-5x) no matter what the point is. I then place the 5 for $5, the 6 and 8 for $6 each and put $5 in the field.

I like this alot better than a standard iron cross strategy because your rooting aginst the point instead of the more likely 7.

This strategy pays well if you get a point set, see a few numbers and then hit your 7.

I know the house advantage is higher than playing strictly dont pass with odds, but I play craps for fun, comradrie, and beer as much as I o for money, so I 4 hour session where I may have lost a few bucks isn't going to make me real mad. Ya know?

Quote: mwalz9

on the Dont Pass Bar.

That does still make me laugh a little.

Mwalz, it's Don't Pass, Bar 12. Meaning 12 is a push, but your mistake is very common...

I like the $15 Dont Pass with $6 on 6 and 8... it seems a bit "better", but really its $15 at -1.36% and $12 on -1.515% an algebraic -1.43%. Breaking it up as $5 DP + $10 odds (presuming 4,5,9,10 only) is better, and I think it was the OP way. THATS a really good idea.