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Does the weather have an effect on football?
| October 13th, 2010 at 12:18:33 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6735 | In the Ask the Wizard thread, mkl654321 asked, "What dynamics affect football totals betting as the season goes on, the weather gets worse, and there is more information on teams' recent performance? How easy (or difficult) is it to find errors in the line?" Good question. I'm one to believe that only the wind plays a major effect in football. I think it is a myth that cold temperatures are correlated to low totals. To prove this, I averaged the total by week number in the NFL for every game from the 1983 to 2009 seasons. If it were true, you would expect to see lower average totals in the latter weeks. The following graph shows the results. As you can see, there is very little correlation. If there is one, the later weeks, with colder temperatures have slightly higher game totals. The solid black line is the least squared regression line. ![]() Any comments? It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| October 13th, 2010 at 2:40:11 PM permalink | |
| ElectricDreams Member since: Sep 8, 2010 Threads: 4 Posts: 194 | What about something like rain affecting the over/under? The past Monday Night Football game, for example, had at least one pass in the end zone that probably would have been caught if it weren't for the ball being slicker. I don't know if that would affect the scores that much, and I don't know how a sportsbook would try to quantify that, and it would probably be dependent on if a team is running the ball more than passing... a bunch of different variables to take into account, I guess. |
| October 13th, 2010 at 2:55:25 PM permalink | |
| JerryLogan Member since: Jun 28, 2010 Threads: 26 Posts: 1344 | "Weather getting worse" should only pertain to snowy fields of play during snowstorms, where the field can't be constantly plowed and/or if the snow comes down heavily during the game. There's GOT to be a reduction in performance during those games. Simple cold weather doesn't mean anything either way, and most teams practice in the rain anyway. Bottom line: Good teams find a way to score; bad teams do not. |
| October 13th, 2010 at 3:00:24 PM permalink | |
| thecesspit Member since: Apr 19, 2010 Threads: 38 Posts: 3105 |
But is that a casual effect or a result? Are you good if your score, or score if you are good? Anyways, reminds me of the story of one team's QB and Center taking repeated snaps in the cold showers at the training facility. Or that was what they claimed.... "Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept through nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire, for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829 |
| October 13th, 2010 at 3:40:37 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6735 | I asked my friend Jason about this. Suffice it to say that he knows a great deal about sports betting, in particular how the weather effects it. Here is is reply.
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| October 13th, 2010 at 4:08:48 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Nov 11, 2009 Threads: 215 Posts: 7241 | Question: how does the cold weather late in the season affect teams from warm weather cities and/or domed stadiums? How about extreme conditions like fog (Phily at Chicago in the Fog Bowl), really cold weather (Dallas at Green bay in the Ice Bowl), or the time the field at Three Rivers stadium froze along the sidelines overnight due to a badly placed tarp? About the last, the Raiders claimed Pittsburgh did it on purpose, as most Raiders' passing plays were to the sidelines. This space is closed for remodeling |
| October 14th, 2010 at 11:24:43 AM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Nov 17, 2009 Threads: 113 Posts: 2025 | Would there be a better match between total score and air temperature? I think the domes and the stadiums in the south may be washing out the data. If not air temp, perhaps Avg. PPG for stadiums vs. domes over the course of a season would reveal a trend? |
| October 14th, 2010 at 8:20:02 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6735 |
I thought about restricting the survey to just the cold weather cities with outdoor stadiums. However, if there were an effect, it should have been seen in the overall average. Still, that isn't a bad idea. I don't know the domed status of every stadium. Can anybody help on that? It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| October 14th, 2010 at 8:27:22 PM permalink | |
| sunrise089 Member since: Jul 12, 2010 Threads: 5 Posts: 173 |
Not necessarily. What if teams got a bit better as the season progressed. Or defensive Injuries hurt more than offensive ones. You'd have one factor causing scores to rise, and another causing them to fall (weather). Despite the overall average increase if you isolated outdoor cold weather stadiums you may see the effect of weather, and the average increase from non-cold stadiums could give you your baseline improvement to factor in, right? |
| October 14th, 2010 at 8:29:03 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Nov 11, 2009 Threads: 215 Posts: 7241 |
Let's try: St. Louis Indianapolis Minnesota Detroit New Orleans Dallas (though the roof is retractable) Atlanta Arizona (retractable) I'm sure i missed some retractable roofs, and I stand to be corrected (too lazy to check each stadium). Wikipedia has a list Here This space is closed for remodeling |
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