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Predict the Teams to Make the Super Bowl Contest

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January 17th, 2011 at 9:50:17 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Wizard
So just a 2.8 penalty yards per game difference in favor of home teams. That knife cuts both ways.


Penalty yards may not be a good measure. While most penalties have a fixed yardage assessed, some like pass interference do not. Also they all suffer when called near the goal line, where a hold and an illegal procedure both net half the distance to the goal. Finally, intentional grounding carries a loss of down or, if done within one's own end zone, a safety, in addition to or besides the yardage lost.

Hey, it's a complicated game!
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January 17th, 2011 at 10:04:39 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Nareed
Penalty yards may not be a good measure. While most penalties have a fixed yardage assessed, some like pass interference do not. Also they all suffer when called near the goal line, where a hold and an illegal procedure both net half the distance to the goal. Finally, intentional grounding carries a loss of down or, if done within one's own end zone, a safety, in addition to or besides the yardage lost.

Hey, it's a complicated game!


Good points. I'd argue those factors cut both ways about about equally, but don't have statistics in my back pocket to prove it.
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January 17th, 2011 at 10:10:54 PM permalink
clarkacal
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In fact I don't recall there ever being an offensive and defensive pass interference calls for the same play.


I saw it happen in a bowl game this year. I can't remember which one though. Never seen it before that though.
January 17th, 2011 at 10:16:38 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Wizard
Good points. I'd argue those factors cut both ways about about equally, but don't have statistics in my back pocket to prove it.


I agree. I think the officials are impartial.

They err sometimes, naturally. But overall if a team has too many penalties called against them it's because they're playing dirty, or at least dirtier. Close rivals, like the Ravens and Steelers, tend to play dirtier when facing each otehr. And the Steelers ahve been particularly prone to stupid penalties this year.
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January 19th, 2011 at 12:55:22 AM permalink
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Me and my dad were talking about what we thought the best outcome for Jets/Patriots would have been; we finally decided that we wanted the Jets to break Brady's arm, and the Pats win. Now, it's all in jest, dark humor and all, no one really wants to see a guy injured. (Or is it hurt? Gotta call James Harrison and get the difference.) But we didn't want to have to root for the Jets.q]

As a lifelong fan and participant of sports, I've always prided myself on my ferocity vs. sportsmanship. I ALWAYS want to hurt someone (knocking someones breath out might think them twice about running up the middle, a charlie-horse inducing hip check might remind them not to get fancy along the boards) but NEVER want to injure someone (we all have wifes/mothers/children at home, or work/school to go to tomorrow). I, like you, would never want to see a person who sacrifices so much of their life for our entertainment receive severe, life-altering or life-ceasing injury.

However, I'm not God nor a superhero, and my words have absolutely zero power in affecting the many random outcomes of the zillion or so plays throughout professional sports. With that being said, I can with clear conscience hope that sometime in the many hundreds of plays that Brady has left in his career he will be hit with such force as to snap him in twain, thereby relieving myself of ever having to see his pompous, smug, girl-hair adorned head ever again. (Not really, but really. Not serious, but I am.)

And not to derail this even further as my comments dont really have anything to do with picks (sorry ><) but does it seem to any of you that since this crackdown on 'vicious hits' that there has been an explosion of injuries from these very hits? I cant tell if it true, or if it just seems that way due to the attention, but it seems like one of the front runners for yards gained from scrimmage is the guy pushing the gurney.

Packers over Steelers, 31-30. Now I dont feel so bad =P
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January 19th, 2011 at 1:55:18 PM permalink
dm
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Quote: Nareed
A hold is a hold.

Haven't you ever seen a 13 men on the field penalty because the ball got snapped before someone could leave the field? That player dind't affect the play, not when he was off the field a fraction of a second after the snap. But that's the rule.

Back to Pittsburgh over Baltimore, there was more reason to question a pass interference call against the Ravens in Pitt's first offense. It did happen, but the Steelers' receiver also held the defender. Ideally the officials should have penalized both and replayed the down. In fact I don't recall there ever being an offensive and defensive pass interference calls for the same play.



Disagree. A hold is only a hold if the flag is thrown. Many clear holds are missed, while quite a few called holds are pretty questionable . Refs do get fooled by the floppers occasionally or just see it wrong. I remember at the time that I thought the Ravens
bore the brunt of the poor officiating.
January 23rd, 2011 at 9:43:20 PM permalink
Wizard
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We have a winner in Mosca. Congratulations!

Pick By
Steelers over Packers. Mosca


Per my rules, the last man standing would win, and nobody else is left.

Here is a little info about our winner. Mosca is a very active member, with 789 posts and 30 threads started. His/her last thread started was a movie review of Inception, which I agree with 100%!

I'll work out the prize with Mosca, but it will at least involve a dinner for two at any restaurant of his/her choice at the Red Rock (where I'm still trying to burn off my points).

I'm very glad one of my best contributors won. Again, congratulations Mosca!
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January 23rd, 2011 at 9:44:44 PM permalink
Croupier
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Quote: Wizard
We have a winner in Mosca. Congratulations!

Pick By
Steelers over Packers. Mosca




Congrats Mosca!!!!
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January 23rd, 2011 at 9:47:26 PM permalink
boymimbo
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Congrats Mosca! Both games today were closer than I thought they would be after the first half (I guess that's why they play two halves!!!!)
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January 24th, 2011 at 11:18:41 AM permalink
Mosca
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Quote: Wizard
We have a winner in Mosca. Congratulations!

Pick By
Steelers over Packers. Mosca


Per my rules, the last man standing would win, and nobody else is left.

Here is a little info about our winner. Mosca is a very active member, with 789 posts and 30 threads started. His/her last thread started was a movie review of Inception, which I agree with 100%!

I'll work out the prize with Mosca, but it will at least involve a dinner for two at any restaurant of his/her choice at the Red Rock (where I'm still trying to burn off my points).

I'm very glad one of my best contributors won. Again, congratulations Mosca!


Thank you for the kind words, Wizard. I wish I could live up to the "best contributor" label, but I sometimes fall into the gutter, against my better nature and instincts.

I bought the book, so I don't need another.
The polo shirt... hmmm. I'd have to request a 3X, and that's probably a special order.
Lunch at Red Rock, that would be cool, but I don't know when we'll be in Vegas next; most vacation time is spent taking the Mosquette to and from university, because she didn't want to go near home.


You know, I do OK in this world, all things considered. I'm blessed with having few needs; I like nice stuff, but I'm not wedded to it. I live modestly, and middle class comfort suits my nature. I enjoy gambling, but I'm not one of those people who dream about casinos; my hands aren't shaking if I don't get to the games every week, or every month.

But I know some people whose lives have been ruined by gambling. I have a customer who lost his wife and is losing his business. I have a friend whose husband lost his job, but she holds a blue Mohegan card and is up there playing slots a few times a week. Mrs and I hear about the jackpots, but we all know how many times you have to push that "max bet" button to win that many jackpots. They have a daughter same age as ours, she's in college, too. For now.


So, what I think I'm going to request as a prize is a donation to Gambler's Anonymous, in whatever amount it would have cost you to give the award. Because what comes to me and the rest of us as a pleasure sometimes comes to others at great cost. It's not a lot, I know. But a little plus a little plus a little is a lot.

If you know something about GA that I don't, that makes you not want to contribute to them, then you would also probably know a different organization that does what I think GA does. That would be fine with me.

Deal?
NO KILL I
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