Lando
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May 16th, 2016 at 6:48:52 AM permalink
Does anyone have an updated sheet by CG or anyone else on the strip (LVH/Westgate, Caesar's) etc.

Also, do you know the max they take at a time? Also wondering if that will change as we get closer to August.

I bet big a couple year's back and they would only take $3k at a time at the SuperBook ... then they changed the odds on me (for another 3) which was BS I thought
Rigondeaux
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May 16th, 2016 at 7:54:32 AM permalink
I haven't looked at them much, but they've been out for a while at a number of books, so they shouldn't vary all that much at this point.

https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/nfl-betting/2017-nfl-futures-2016-regular-season-wins.sbk

Those are an online books. I wouldn't expect the ones in Vegas to be much different.
TomG
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May 16th, 2016 at 4:51:27 PM permalink
Quote: Lando

I bet big a couple year's back and they would only take $3k at a time at the SuperBook ... then they changed the odds on me (for another 3) which was BS I thought



That's how it should be. They take a max bet, then they decide if they want to adjust the line, then give you a chance at another max bet. Some places will either move the line before taking your action or only take one-sided action. $3k is pretty good for a prop bet
DrawingDead
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May 16th, 2016 at 5:22:40 PM permalink
Quote: Lando

Does anyone have an updated sheet by CG or anyone else on the strip (LVH/Westgate, Caesar's) etc.

Also, do you know the max they take at a time? Also wondering if that will change as we get closer to August.

I bet big a couple year's back and they would only take $3k at a time at the SuperBook ... then they changed the odds on me (for another 3) which was BS I thought

Quote: TomG

That's how it should be. They take a max bet, then they decide if they want to adjust the line, then give you a chance at another max bet. Some places will either move the line before taking your action or only take one-sided action. $3k is pretty good for a prop bet

Yes, +1 to that reply. That happens like that. What some may do when they bump up against that is to spread the action among multiple books to get the best price they can.

This isn't something I usually follow, but if you get no answer on it for a few days I could easily post lines from several venues while I'm doing other things in the books. I have nothing on it handy right now.
Nevermind.
DrawingDead
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June 6th, 2016 at 12:19:04 AM permalink
Quote: DrawingDead

This isn't something I usually follow, but if you get no answer on it for a few days I could easily post lines from several venues while I'm doing other things in the books. I have nothing on it handy right now.

Apologies for the delay. I said I'd pick it up & post if you didn't get an answer from others, and then I mostly forgot this for a few weeks. I did briefly look into picking up the lines for the MRI books (Aria, Mirage, MGM, etc.) but when I did so shortly after your question was posted I was informed by a supervisor in one of their books that the company did not have any lines up for that yet, but he was expecting they would have them available "soon." I'll be back in there for other reasons 'soon' as in all day Saturday, so I'll plan to also check that while I'm there. I don't have much reason to go in the Caesars properties very often anymore, so I won't likely be any help getting anything from them. I know Boyd has had them up at their properties (Orleans, Gold Coast, etc.) for a while, but you specified on-Strip books.
Nevermind.
dwsblue
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June 7th, 2016 at 7:40:50 AM permalink
The only place I've found exact wins is South Point. South Point has the sheet available.
Lando
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June 14th, 2016 at 12:23:52 PM permalink
Thanks.

I anyone can get Wynn, CG, or Westgate ... specifically Green Bay

I would appreciate it. Thanks.
DrawingDead
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June 19th, 2016 at 9:21:34 AM permalink
Quote: Lando

Thanks.

I anyone can get Wynn, CG, or Westgate ... specifically Green Bay

I would appreciate it. Thanks.

As of yesterday morning, Green Bay @Westgate was: 10.5 regular season wins, ov -140, un +120

As of last weekend MGM/Mirage properties still had not put up a win total line. I don't expect to be back in their books very soon so it probably won't be convenient for me to get theirs timely enough to be useful to you.

Westgate's lines on this are up, and I listed the complete line above for Green Bay since I see you have a particular interest in that one. For the others I'm just putting the simple win total number below without any variation in ov/un price offered at that win total number, because my executive assistant takes off on days that end in the letter "y" and I'm a lazy b@stard & don't feel like re-typing everything from the whole sheet. But if there's another one or two in particular that you're after feel free to ask within the next few days before I toss the sheet.

In general, I find Westgate does tend to charge some of the lowest juice among major Las Vegas books for a lot of future-wager prop-bet type stuff. But that's not always true for everything that they hang a line on, and even someone with higher overall juice may sometimes have a better number for one or two items, so for a significant sized wager it is often worth taking a little time & shoe leather to line shop a few others such as Wynn, when you are in town and ready to take the money to the window. You probably knew that, given your questions here, but I'm sometimes amazed at what some un-curious tourists do with their money at convenience books without the slightest bit of investigation.

WESTGATE as of ~8am, Sat-6/18
Arizona 10
Atlanta 7
Baltimore 8.5
Buffalo 8
Carolina 10.5
Chicago 7.5
Cincinnati 9.5
Cleveland 4.5
Dallas 9
Denver 9.5
Detroit 7
Green Bay 10.5
Houston 8.5
Indianapolis 9
Jacksonville 7.5
Kansas City 9
Los Angeles 7.5
Miami 7
Minnesota 9
New England 10.5
New Orleans 6.5
NY Giants 8
NY Jets 8
Oakland 8.5
Philadelphia 7
Pittsburgh 10.5
San Diego 7
San Francisco 6
Seattle 10.5
Tampa Bay 7
Tennessee 5.5
Washington 7

Good luck.

EDIT to add, a note to give props regarding the wisdom of the OP's trying to do a little prep to investigate lines: After posting these NFL lines (which I don't follow for myself at all & wouldn't know a flaky line from a hole in the ground) I happened to be looking over something I do follow... my spreadsheet of MLB future wager line movements from brick & mortar casinos. At the beginning of baseball spring training on 3/5/16 if you wanted to book a wager on St. Louis to win the World Series you could have bought a ticket from MGM at 8/1, or at 9/1 if you booked it with Wynn, or 10/1 from William Hill, or 20/1 from Westgate. If you wanted STL for the NL Pennant, it was MGM 4/1, Wynn 11/2, WmHill 6/1, and Westgate 10/1. For Texas to win the Series the lines were at MGM 8/1, WmHill 10/1, Wynn 12/1, WstGt 18/1. For a TEX AL Pennant wager they were at MGM 4/1, WmHill 5/1, Wynn 7/1, and WG 9/1. No joke. So the difference in future wager lines amounted to getting more than twice (or less than half) the payout, or in the amount you'd put at risk to get the same payout. All on the very same day, at casino books located within minutes of each other.

And the line on "Good Luck" has moved to ov +130, un -160.
Last edited by: DrawingDead on Jun 19, 2016
Nevermind.
TomG
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June 20th, 2016 at 9:22:35 AM permalink
Lots of value on these ones:
Denver under 9.5
Green Bay over 10.5
Kansas City over 9
Los Angeles under 7.5
Minnesota over 9
NY Giants over 8
San Francisco under 6
Tennessee over 5.5
Would be willing to take action at even money on any of those if anyone likes the other side

Some other good ones:
Baltimore 8.5 under
Carolina 10.5 under
Cincinnati 9.5 over
Cleveland 4.5 over
Detroit 7 over
Houston 8.5 over
Miami 7 under
New England 10.5 over
New Orleans 6.5 over
NY Jets 8 under
San Diego 7 over
Seattle 10.5 over
Tennessee 5.5 over
Washington 7 over
Rigondeaux
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June 20th, 2016 at 5:42:44 PM permalink
Thanks for the recommendations, Tom.

It's also wise to look at the division winners at different shops. I missed most of the better ones this year, but did get Arizona to win the NFC west +220 and Washington to win the East +425.

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