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August 1st, 2015 at 3:42:37 AM permalink
Was looking at the UFC 190 odds. As usual, they are 30-40 cent lines.

However, it is remarkable at least to me, that a woman fighter can be a 15 to 1 favorite. Is real money really wagered on these fights, especially at this type of lay(no pun)?
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August 1st, 2015 at 4:38:29 AM permalink
Rhonda's gonna kick some ass!!!!
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August 1st, 2015 at 8:29:18 PM permalink
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Rhonda's gonna kick some ass!!!!



Maybe so...

Card has started, boring so far. Hope the main event is more exciting.
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August 2nd, 2015 at 7:33:46 AM permalink
If you call 34 seconds exciting!!
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August 2nd, 2015 at 6:48:47 PM permalink
Quote: NokTang

Was looking at the UFC 190 odds. As usual, they are 30-40 cent lines.

However, it is remarkable at least to me, that a woman fighter can be a 15 to 1 favorite. Is real money really wagered on these fights, especially at this type of lay(no pun)?



I think a "lock" would be more so with women, since many don't have the ability to KO and very few can do it with one punch, so that element of chance is diminished. Also, RR is legitimately a high level athlete. As popular as she is, there's no real foundation for womens MMA and a very shallow talent pool. That means she's often fighting women who really have almost no shot because they are practically amateurs. Like a college football team playing an NFL team. This happens a lot in boxing too, though for different reasons.

I've bet on UFC a bit. It was one of the few sports a layman could beat just by good handicapping for a long time, though I think it's getting harder now.
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August 2nd, 2015 at 7:48:46 PM permalink
I have never seen her fight before but someone just posted it on Facebook so I figured why not. Why was the fight called? She hit her a few times and she fell. I thought ufc was punch and kick until they die. Did the other girl give up?
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August 3rd, 2015 at 2:18:26 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I have never seen her fight before but someone just posted it on Facebook so I figured why not. Why was the fight called? She hit her a few times and she fell. I thought ufc was punch and kick until they die. Did the other girl give up?



Actually, they stop the fights rather quickly, both men and women. In this case however I did agree with the stoppage. The loser was obviously knocked out and to remind, there is no "standing eight count". The fighter can pounce on the person they have just knocked down and seriously hurt them if the fight isn't halted.
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August 3rd, 2015 at 1:55:18 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I have never seen her fight before but someone just posted it on Facebook so I figured why not. Why was the fight called? She hit her a few times and she fell. I thought ufc was punch and kick until they die. Did the other girl give up?






She wasn't fighting back so thats why it was stopped but it was good stoppage. This ain't boxing she could have gotten seriously hurt from a ffew more seconds of Rhondas beatdown.
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August 3rd, 2015 at 4:26:16 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I have never seen her fight before but someone just posted it on Facebook so I figured why not. Why was the fight called? She hit her a few times and she fell. I thought ufc was punch and kick until they die. Did the other girl give up?



Anytime a fighter lands face first without putting hands down to break the fall, the fight is over. She was knocked out cold.


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August 3rd, 2015 at 5:23:07 PM permalink
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Anytime a fighter lands face first without putting hands down to break the fall, the fight is over. She was knocked out cold.



Probably woke up and wondered if the fight had started yet.
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November 14th, 2015 at 10:41:08 PM permalink
Rousey just got defeated by KO.

Quote:

MELBOURNE, Australia — Holly Holm pulled off a stunning upset victory over Ronda Rousey in UFC 193, knocking out the women's bantamweight champion in the second round with a powerful kick to the head Sunday.



http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/15/world/ap-mma-ufc-193.html?_r=0
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November 14th, 2015 at 10:50:53 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Rousey just got defeated by KO.



http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/11/15/world/ap-mma-ufc-193.html?_r=0

I think Rigondeaux might and if he posts a sports pick then I would probably jump on it and feel good that I had Value.

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November 14th, 2015 at 11:22:39 PM permalink
I knew she was going to get knocked out but every idiot i know told me not to bet cause Rousey was going to "dominate" obviously they cannot see technique and how Rousey is careless and just goes for the rush takedown.... Cannot do that against a pro boxer. Grats to all who grabbed the +1300 line on that.
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November 14th, 2015 at 11:35:31 PM permalink
Quote: Pinit2winit

I knew she was going to get knocked out but every idiot i know told me not to bet cause Rousey was going to "dominate" obviously they cannot see technique and how Rousey is careless and just goes for the rush takedown.... Cannot do that against a pro boxer. Grats to all who grabbed the +1300 line on that.

You knew this? Ill take even money on the rematch.
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November 15th, 2015 at 12:01:00 AM permalink
It was obvious after you saw them at the weigh in the size comparison. Rousey literally only had one chance which was takedown and only accomplished one poor one. Holms was too fast from the get go. I was biased placing a bet since last week my drunk father told me to bet on dan henderson but i havent seen mens ufc in a while to know it was a shit bet.
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November 15th, 2015 at 12:05:56 AM permalink
Sweet kick to the head.

You go, girl.
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November 15th, 2015 at 12:09:14 AM permalink
I had 200 on it, I wanted to put way more not because I thought that she would win but I thought the line was completely over inflated especially when if you know the back story - ufc sought out her opponent to join the ufc strictly because they thought it would be a good match- I didn't think they would go out and recruit someone that was 13-1 - they could have thrown anyone up there if that was the case
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November 15th, 2015 at 1:28:33 AM permalink
Wow was just watching holy fields 30/30 on ESPN and was thinking to myself eventually the long shot comes in (buster vs Tyson, holy field vs Tyson)

Good thing I didn't bet rousey to win.....
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:18:15 AM permalink
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You knew this? Ill take even money on the rematch.



You will get better than even money. Holm didn't just win with a single lucky kick. She dominated the entire fight. Rousey looked like she was 'punching like a girl', while Holm looked like she was punching like a boxer. I can easily see Rousey retiring rather than subjecting herself to another beatdown like last night.
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:03:31 AM permalink
Rousey might have the worst corner coach in the world. He told her she did great after the first round and sent her out to do the exact same thing.

She got pummeled in the first round. You don't chase around a top level professional boxer. This fight was amazingly similar to Tyson/Douglas. From bad strategy to bad corner to dominating fighter being picked apart.


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November 15th, 2015 at 7:16:30 AM permalink
Axel - I want to see what the line is on the rematch before making any bet, I suspect Rousey will be favored and I can a better price then even money, but I think Holly Holm wins the rematch.
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November 15th, 2015 at 7:26:18 AM permalink
So glad she lost. Commercials were tooting this match as once ever instead of the normal once in a lifetime. So sick of hearing about her.
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November 15th, 2015 at 8:08:44 AM permalink
If they fought again next month I would make the line Rousey -180
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November 15th, 2015 at 2:23:13 PM permalink
As high as +1150 yesterday morning, closed around +550. Ticket writer last night said he didn't have a single bet on Rousey all day.

google search for "Rousey Holm rematch odds", says someone put it up at -175 Rousey, +150 Holm. If that were put up in Vegas there would be a few max bets on Holm as soon as anyone knew where to find it.
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November 15th, 2015 at 3:31:31 PM permalink
Remember when some people were actually saying Ronda would beat Floyd Mayweather. Shows what a pro boxer can do.
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November 15th, 2015 at 4:21:43 PM permalink
I recall a discussion matching her against Laila Ali.

Ronda looked tired, and god only knows why she tried to punch it out with Holly: Ronda's forte is judo, with a wicked arm bar.

Just shows the truth of the old adage: "Go home from the dance with the one that brung ya."
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:33:16 PM permalink
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Axel - I want to see what the line is on the rematch before making any bet, I suspect Rousey will be favored and I can a better price then even money, but I think Holly Holm wins the rematch.

Hmm did I make that offer to you? (not sarcasm, I actually forgot for a second. I probably wouldn't let you make a bet like that with me, sounds like zero or - EV)

NO I certainly wouldn't allow someone to see the proper line and then if it went their way decide to make the bet.

The point of the bet.

Him saying "I knew it" is why I made that offer. I wanted a true blind bet. That was his chance to go back in time and make the bet again. Not after him seeing the odds. I have absolutely no opinion, I didn't see the fight and I only know about RR's reputation and watched a few highlights of her past fights.
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November 15th, 2015 at 5:42:26 PM permalink
Anyone got a link to the match? Now I'm interested in watching. I do love Boxing and MMA but I just don't ever seem to find the time or actually go out of my way to enjoy it.
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:12:16 PM permalink
I don't know if this link will continue to be good. But was a moment ago. That's the one posted in other thread.

https://www.facebook.com/BoxeoTijuana/videos/561705457314635/
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:14:53 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I don't know if this link will continue to be good. But was a moment ago. That's the one posted in other thread.

https://www.facebook.com/BoxeoTijuana/videos/561705457314635/

Sweet. I'll thank you in advance.


Moments later:" Sorry, this content isn't available right now"

D*** TEASE (-:
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:23:10 PM permalink
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Sweet. I'll thank you in advance.


Moments later:" Sorry, this content isn't available right now"

D*** TEASE (-:



It's still there. I watched it 15 minutes ago and it ran fine. Just checked it again.
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:40:57 PM permalink
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It's still there. I watched it 15 minutes ago and it ran fine. Just checked it again.

Ahh I see RX wasn't DT'ing you were CB'ing.
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November 15th, 2015 at 6:49:07 PM permalink
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Ahh I see RX wasn't DT'ing you were CB'ing.



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November 15th, 2015 at 7:00:54 PM permalink
Ide take that bet axel for like 50 bucks at the rematch. Rousey just was the first to be like that as a female. She isn't the best just beat the prior best to get there. Holm having a stand up game frustrated rousey to the point of mistakes. Let me know what you think of the fight after you watch it. To me Holm made her look like an amatur.
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November 15th, 2015 at 7:25:54 PM permalink
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Ide take that bet axel for like 50 bucks at the rematch. Rousey just was the first to be like that as a female. She isn't the best just beat the prior best to get there. Holm having a stand up game frustrated rousey to the point of mistakes. Let me know what you think of the fight after you watch it. To me Holm made her look like an amatur.

ILL take that action at even money if they have a rematch. I haven't watched yet because it wont buffer.
I can't imagine that the line will move to even money.
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November 15th, 2015 at 7:48:27 PM permalink
Let me know, it will be afew years until a rematch. I guess Rousey got a broken jaw in 3 spots from that kick. Ill still be in vegas. Also, im off work next week thurs-sun... just FYI
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November 15th, 2015 at 7:57:16 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

ILL take that action at even money if they have a rematch. I haven't watched yet because it wont buffer.
I can't imagine that the line will move to even money.



Watch the fight
Holm dominated.
Rousey's face was a bloody mess before the knock-out
If they fight again, Holm will be the favorite
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November 16th, 2015 at 12:59:40 PM permalink
Bogdanovich just said on the radio that he would make their next fight close to pick'em.
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November 16th, 2015 at 1:18:03 PM permalink
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Watch the fight
Holm dominated.
Rousey's face was a bloody mess before the knock-out
If they fight again, Holm will be the favorite

Holm probably will be the favorite. Her stand up and sheer strength that stopped Ronda from taking her down was a huge advantage... Then again Ronda's game plan of "chasing yet not ever shooting for a take down was the biggest advantage in the fight.

If Ronda is an underdog and I can somehow figure she's going to actually "shoot" for a take down or two in the 2nd fight, I'd still bet huge on Ronda. I still think Ronda would decimate her on the ground, and get decimated standing up (as she did). We saw a completely 1 sided fight because of the horrendous coaching and lack of take down attempts from Ronda.

p.s. I bet on a couple fights that night, and won, but I did not bet on the Ronda/Holm fight =).
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November 16th, 2015 at 1:18:21 PM permalink
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Bogdanovich just said on the radio that he would make their next fight close to pick'em.



Watch those odds change as the sharps put all their money on Holm
With Holm boxing skills and reach advantage, she will eventually be the clear favorite.
30 sec left in the 1st round she even accomplished a takedown exposing the back shoulders of Rousey to the floor.
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November 16th, 2015 at 2:04:28 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Watch those odds change as the sharps put all their money on Holm
With Holm boxing skills and reach advantage, she will eventually be the clear favorite.
30 sec left in the 1st round she even accomplished a takedown exposing the back shoulders of Rousey to the floor.



I think the money would go to Rousey. The public betting has a lot more influence than the Sharps and the public will think it was a fluke that she got beat.
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November 16th, 2015 at 2:20:52 PM permalink
Just heard on the radio Golden Nugget just put it on the board as Rousey -400 Holm +325.

I will bet some Holm if that number is still there when I get downtown.
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November 16th, 2015 at 2:35:18 PM permalink
I'm not sure how many times Rousey took a hard blow to the head in that fight. Seems like there were several. I don't know that you can condition your noggin no matter what shape you're in. I saw a vine of one of those; it wasn't pretty. I think she would have definitely needed a plan not to get hit in the head so hard, above all else.
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November 16th, 2015 at 2:54:55 PM permalink
Terapined mentioned the reach advantage, which is what I noticed.
Also provided the link I watched, thx.
I don't bet on the gals, but I'll watch ;-)
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November 16th, 2015 at 9:41:01 PM permalink
Here's some info on the early line and movement... MMA Junkie


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November 17th, 2015 at 12:29:31 AM permalink
The line may change as the money comes in. But when I made that offer to PITWI I'm certain I had an advantage at even money according to the estimated line at the time.

I'm open to booking more at this time for even money. No I'm not booking it after the fact if the line moves. I just wanted a better line than what I thought would be offered. I have no opinion nor am I making any claims. You don't even get the benefit of gloating. AAMOF Betting it at even money when you can get + money isn't gloat worthy.

It would be like counting Tyson out because he lost to Douglas.

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November 17th, 2015 at 12:51:51 AM permalink
I'm good for 50, still a good bet for both parties ESPECIALLY if you think your fighter will win.
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:33:09 AM permalink
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I wish i was pro! I would be all over it. Until then ill just be very confident in my handicap on this fight alone.

You're nor confident or you would bet more. You already made that mistake and you second guessed yourself and listened to the public/ploppys/friends. $50 isn't even a bet, that's just entertainment. If you win you can say I told you so, but at $50 not really. If you lose you can shrug it off and say big deal it's only $50.

I say man up and make a bet that counts and show some real confidants.
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November 17th, 2015 at 1:38:45 AM permalink
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You're handicapping the fight,, I'm not. If you're are a good handicapper then you should go pro and bet the farm at even money before you have to lay odds.



I wish i was pro! I would be all over it. Until then ill just be very confident in my handicap on this fight alone.
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:10:33 AM permalink
You're not confident or you would bet more. You already made that mistake and you second guessed yourself and listened to the public/ploppys/friends. $50 isn't even a bet, that's just entertainment. If you win you can say I told you so, but at $50 not really. If you lose you can shrug it off and say big deal it's only $50.

I say man up and make a bet that counts and show some real confidants.

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