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Deconstructing Jackpot Party
| February 1st, 2012 at 1:00:40 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6735 | As far as I know, until now there has never been a published example of an actual video slot machine. Before this point I tried to explain the concepts behind video slots with my analysis of my own slot machine Atkins Diet. However, I've always preferred to have an actual machine to use as an example that is out there on the casino floors. What has always help me back is that the slot makers don't show you the entire reel strips. You can only see three frames at a time. However, it occurred to me that if I played enough I could piece together the entire reel strips, enabling me to do an exact analysis. So that is what I did. Please be the first to preview my new page Deconstructing Jackpot Party. As always, I welcome comments, questions, and corrections before I announce this on my Odds site. It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| February 1st, 2012 at 1:35:31 PM permalink | |
| Triplell Member since: Aug 13, 2010 Threads: 6 Posts: 318 | What if the visual depiction of the wheels doesn't represent the actual orientation? |
| February 1st, 2012 at 1:35:41 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6380 | The Wynn let you sit there and record all that video? Isn't it against their rules? One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| February 1st, 2012 at 1:51:56 PM permalink | |
| Triplell Member since: Aug 13, 2010 Threads: 6 Posts: 318 | I guess you verified it in your analysis...Sorry, I didn't read that far ahead. Also, it's just semantics, but now days, most slot machines use EEPROM or Flash, but in the end, it's all read only memory. :) |
| February 1st, 2012 at 2:12:40 PM permalink | |
| AcesAndEights Member since: Jan 5, 2012 Threads: 11 Posts: 575 | Cool article! "Life's a bitch and then you die. Or seven out." -AlanMendelson |
| February 1st, 2012 at 2:16:13 PM permalink | |
| MathExtremist Member since: Aug 31, 2010 Threads: 45 Posts: 2514 |
Actually, Kevin A. Harrigan at U. of Waterloo has published several studies on par sheets from the standpoint of the psychology of addiction. For example, PAR Sheets, probabilities, and slot machine play: Implications for problem and non-problem gambling.
That methodology is not necessarily correct. A slot machine reel containing [A, B, C, A, C, B, C, B] contains the following three-symbol strings: ABC BCA CAC ACB CBC BCB CBA BAB Each string occurs once. However, a reel containing [A, B, C, A, C, B, C, B, C, B] contains the same three-symbol strings, but CBC and BCB occur twice each. Unless you've done a frequency analysis, you won't know enough to be able to assume that each three-symbol combination is equally likely. "In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563 |
| February 1st, 2012 at 2:27:20 PM permalink | |
| PapaChubby Member since: Mar 29, 2010 Threads: 9 Posts: 342 | Agreed! Looks like it was a lot of work. |
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| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6735 |
They never said I couldn't. I've never seen any rule posted addressing that.
That is betting rather nit picky. With 10 different symbols there would be 1,000 ways to arrange three of them. It doesn't seem likely that they would have the same closed loop more than once. Furthermore, the way I did it, the bottom lines is consistent with Strip norms for penny slots. However, to help alleviate your concern, here is how often each 3-symbol pattern occurred, based on the hypothetical order on my Odds site.
Finally, there are the p value of a chi-squared test for each reel, assuming a uniform distribution. Reel p-value 1 63.57% 2 1.11% 3 69.16% 4 58.70% 5 28.00% It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| February 1st, 2012 at 3:01:45 PM permalink | |
| thecesspit Member since: Apr 19, 2010 Threads: 38 Posts: 3105 |
The Wiz didn't ask a pit boss, so couldn't read them of his lips... "Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept through nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire, for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829 |
| February 1st, 2012 at 3:15:48 PM permalink | |
| MathExtremist Member since: Aug 31, 2010 Threads: 45 Posts: 2514 |
Many of the games I do have the same three symbols more than once. If there is a wide disparity between the frequency of top and bottom symbols, it's almost inevitable. Of your 212 spins, did you see each of the 26 combinations of 3 symbols on the first reel roughly an equal number of times? Or was one or more roughly twice as frequent as another? "In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice."
-- Girolamo Cardano, 1563 |
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