So, how was Slotting today?

Quote: Kentry

I don't lose half of my paycheck all the time. It was just that this time, the Casino was being unusually tight. It was so incredibly weird how absolutely tight it was. I ended up playing more to get back the money I lost, which we know we are supposed to not do. I know that for my next paycheck, I will go put that money in a gift card like my damn brain was telling me to do in the first place. If anything, I will just play around $20 at the most.

The casino was being no more or less tight than usual. After the installation and initial settings, returns of a given slot machine are changed infrequently, if ever.

Unfortunately, it sounds like you should play around $0, at most.

You should not enter a casino until you know how to lose, which is to say how to accept losing. I don't pretend to know how much half your check actually is, but I bet it will take a lot of play $5 get $5 Match Play Thursdays for you to get that back.

And, if you do continue the Match Play days, I'd encourage you to only take $5 in with you. But, you really should probably just stop.

Let me ask you this: Is the only reason you didn't lose ALL of your check because you didn't have the other half with you at the time?

Quote: Kentry

Blew a good portion of my paycheck on the slots. Just got paid and about half my check went into the slots. So disgusting. Even sadder is that the logical part of my brain begged me to put half my paycheck into a gift card, and I didn't listen. Luckily, I was able to pay my electric bill.

If you wanted the gift card more than you wanted to play the slot machines, that's what you would have spent your money on. Since you instead spent the money gambling, it's obvious that's what you really wanted to do with the money the most.

I'm thinking maybe Kentry should go to Casinos with a Buddy that will make sure he doesn't go overboard with his money. Once the buddy sees him about to play way more than he should(And really, no one should ever play half their paycheck), the buddy can stop him from playing anymore or at least make him lower his bets). The Buddy system works wonders on all areas of life.

Quote: Kentry

I don't lose half of my paycheck all the time. It was just that this time, the Casino was being unusually tight. It was so incredibly weird how absolutely tight it was. I ended up playing more to get back the money I lost, which we know we are supposed to not do. I know that for my next paycheck, I will go put that money in a gift card like my damn brain was telling me to do in the first place. If anything, I will just play around $20 at the most.

You. Need to. Stop. Gambling.

You don't have the money.
You don't have the self-control necessary.
You don't play games you can win.

Stop.

I'm this >< close to banning you so that maybe you'll understand how much you're deceiving yourself. If you're having to buy gift cards, that means you don't have a checking or savings account, or the ability to have any money in your pocket without throwing it away. Do you really think your mother is going to pay indefinitely for you to live? Should she be required to confiscate your paycheck and give you an allowance like you were 11 again? Learn to stand on your own two feet.

If you have to play slots, play them on Facebook for free; virtually every slot you can find in a casino is on one FB app or another. Slots pay ALL the expenses of running a casino and provide most of the profits. You're not just paying your electric bill, you're paying theirs. And the sooner you figure that out, the better for you.

Quote: Dean

I'm thinking maybe Kentry should go to Casinos with a Buddy that will make sure he doesn't go overboard with his money. . . .The Buddy system works wonders on all areas of life.

I think he should only go with his Mom!

Quote: Kentry

.... Luckily, I was able to pay my electric bill.

* Is it something different about America where young men living at home with Mom would still have an 'Electric' bill to pay?

Quote: Dean

I'm thinking maybe Kentry should go to Casinos with a Buddy that will make sure he doesn't go overboard with his money. Once the buddy sees him about to play way more than he should(And really, no one should ever play half their paycheck), the buddy can stop him from playing anymore or at least make him lower his bets). The Buddy system works wonders on all areas of life.

Except that many people don't know that I gamble. Plus, the sad thing is, I wasn't even high rolling. I was playing .20 cents-$1 never knew you could lose so much money playing .20 cents-$1! :O

Quote: Kentry

Except that many people don't know that I gamble.

Your Mom knows that you gamble (too much). You know that you gamble too much. It would seem ideal that you take your mum along. She could ration you the dimes and make sure you have the bus fare home and enough money for candy.

Quote:

I never knew you could lose so much money playing .20 cents-$1! :O

Well, keep learning at this rate and you will be free of your addictions* by Christmas.

*Gambling and BS'ing

Quote: OnceDear

I think he should only go with his Mom!


* Is it something different about America where young men living at home with Mom would still have an 'Electric' bill to pay?

If we pretend that he is real.

Some people may live at home rent free but pay for the electric/cable/gas.

Kentry, I think you are making a huge mistake going to the casino with your paycheck. You would be much better served if you got your giftcard, went to lcb, and joined an online casino with a nice welcome bonus. You can turn your $110 into at least $300. Plus you wouldn't have to leave your house. You should do that then report back.

Quote: GWAE

If we pretend that he is real.

Indeed. I think many of us respond to the 'character' that Kentry portrays. It doesn't invalidate the answers.

Hey, I'm real!

Quote: Kentry

Hey, I'm real!

Obviously you are real.

Quote: Kentry

Except that many people don't know that I gamble. Plus, the sad thing is, I wasn't even high rolling. I was playing .20 cents-$1 never knew you could lose so much money playing .20 cents-$1! :O

The other problem that you have, good Kentry, is that (based entirely on your posts and not your character or general intelligence) you don't seem to grasp the fundamentals of gambling.

Here is the question I would be interested in: What $$$ amount win would have made you leave?

Depending on the amount in question, playing $0.20-$1.00 is probably not the way to get there. The thing that you have to understand is that all of the games you are playing have a House Edge that is working against you. The result of making smaller bets (generally speaking) is that you are making a larger quantity of bets with the same starting daily bankroll and are, therefore, generally bucking a greater Expected Loss on your overall action. The reason for that is that the smaller bets make it more difficult for you to hit whatever your win goal is because you are exposing more money to the House Edge of the game, quantitatively speaking.

For example, let's say that you had a bankroll of $100 and your win goal was +$100, we're going to use the Wizard's Keno Calculator and a paytable I just made up for this example, the game is a Pick-7:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/keno/calculator/

Catch 3: 2-For-1
Catch 4: 4-For-1
Catch 5: 15-For-1
Catch 6: 200-For-1
Catch 7: 4000-For-1

The House Edge on this game would be roughly 6.76%, which is actually pretty low by the standards of most Video Keno games.

If you were to bet $100, then your Expected Loss is $6.76. Because you are either going to win or lose if you are able to bet exactly $100, you will only go up against this House Edge of 6.76% once and the Expected Loss on your overall action will not exceed $6.76. The probability that you will win $100, or more, dollars is 23.6579%. The probability that you will lose $100 is 76.3421%.

Imagine that we play this same game, except instead of making a $100 bet, we make $0.20 bets until we either win or lose $100.

The first thing that you will notice is this gives you a bankroll of 100 * .2 = 500 Credits (or plays) That also means that you need to win 500 credits in order to quit, now you will notice that the only single hit that accomplishes that feat is the 7/7.

In an overwhelming majority of cases, (read: more than 76.3421% of the time) you will lose the 500 credits before you win 500 or more credits with a 7/7 hit or a combination of multiple 6/7 hits and other stuff. However, it is nearly impossible:

(.763421)^500 = 2.4101891e-59

For you to go 500 plays without a single win. The result of that fact is that, more often than you will lose on that $100 bet with the expected loss of $6.76, you will actually make more than $100 in total bets all the while bucking that 6.76% House Edge and the result will be an Expected Loss greater than $6.76.

I thought about doing a simulation for the latter part, but if you don't understand what I have posted, (given that I intentionally kept it pretty rudimentary) then you really need to STOP GAMBLING!!!

You probably need to STOP GAMBLING anyway.

I might give you one chance: If you can go every Thursday and never take more than $5 in with you, then that's probably fine. If you lose the $5.00 and leave then come back with more money, though, then you should STOP GAMBLING!!!

That's the one Advantage Play you get for the time being. Go in with $5.00, do the $5.00 coin-in, get the $5.00 Free Play, play the $5.00 Free Play, take whatever happens and leave. Of course, I hope it isn't costing you more than your $4.00-$4.60ish Expected Profit to get to and from the casino.

Do they have Video Poker? Might be able to get that Expected Profit closer to $5.00, anyway.

OK, here's where Kentry comes in and says "thanks so much for the great advice and examples" and then goes on to demonstrate he didn't understand any portion of what you just wrote, Mission.

Quote: GWAE

Kentry, I think you are making a huge mistake going to the casino with your paycheck. You would be much better served if you got your giftcard, went to lcb, and joined an online casino with a nice welcome bonus. You can turn your $110 into at least $300. Plus you wouldn't have to leave your house. You should do that then report back.

Whether Kentry is "real" or not, I think this is horrible advice.

Quote: beachbumbabs

If you have to play slots, play them on Facebook for free; virtually every slot you can find in a casino is on one FB app or another. Slots pay ALL the expenses of running a casino and provide most of the profits. You're not just paying your electric bill, you're paying theirs. And the sooner you figure that out, the better for you.

Good advice. I would also add take a break from gambling until at least the start of the New Year, just to make sure you CAN. That's only a month away. This is going to be my LAST post on this, because I don't want to in any way potentially encourage this downward spiral.

I tend to be incredibly responsible when I haven't been paid recently. When it's my Payday or the days after it, I tend to be really irresponsible with the money, like this paycheck I JUST got.

Quote: Kentry

I tend to be incredibly responsible when I haven't been paid recently. When it's my Payday or the days after it, I tend to be really irresponsible with the money, like this paycheck I JUST got.

Lol that is funny, let me see if I follow you correctly.

I am irresponsible when I just got paid and blow money.

When u didn't just get paid you are responsible. Is that because you already blew your money and that forces you to be responsible since you have no money left?

Quote: GWAE

Lol that is funny, let me see if I follow you correctly.

I am irresponsible when I just got paid and blow money.

When u didn't just get paid you are responsible. Is that because you already blew your money and that forces you to be responsible since you have no money left?

Um. *Goes into room and watches TV.*

Quote: Mission146

The other problem that you have, good Kentry, is that (based entirely on your posts and not your character or general intelligence) you don't seem to grasp the fundamentals of gambling.

1000 words to say "If you play games with a house advantage you lose."

He already knows that. For whatever reason, there is just nothing else in the world -- including haircuts, gift cards, phone bills, electric bills, or lunch -- he would rather spend his money one. He has found what he loves and he does it as much as he can.

The character that he is clearly playing needs to be banned - for his own good- he can reemerge as someone else with a different persona someday

WON, I've already told you more than once to leave me the hell alone. Stop it.

I'm not saying anything different them what everyone else in here observes. You have a gambling problem and we should not contribute to the spiral that is going to come out of this

Quote: Wizardofnothing

You have a gambling problem

Yea, he's not winning. That's the problem.

I actually feel bad. Especially since he seems young and that is a receipe for disaster

I made one bad mistake by losing half my paycheck. One bad mistake are the three keywords....

You already admitted it has happened numerous times in the past

When I lost half of my paycheck, the other time, I got every penny back. It didn't stay lost. This time, it stayed lost.

Quote: Kentry

When I lost half of my paycheck, the other time, I got every penny back. It didn't stay lost. This time, it stayed lost.

That's not the point

Yes, it is the point. I had only ONE bad run.

This is all going to unravel any minute

Odds are
Mission bans -130
Babs. +180
Face +330
Wizard+ 670
Field +1100

I have not done anything ban worthy. All I did was admit I had a bad run at the Casino.

Quote: Kentry

I have not done anything ban worthy..

I tend to agree. There is a lynch mob forming because no-one can believe that Kentry is for real.

Though I strongly suspect that he is not for real, there is nothing beyond circumstantial evidence, which in itself, is just intuition ( and experiienced at that ).

Is intuition really the basis of banning? Is story telling against the rules?

Besides, even if Kentry is a fictional entity, does it matter? Those who are p1553d at a percieved yanking of their collective chain do not have to read or respond in his threads.

I sincerely hope that Kentry is indeed for real, and that we will read of his road to the gutter. Then, at least we will have a good scarecrow with which to warn young fools away from the worst aspects of gambling.

Sorry for mixing metaphors :)

Quote: OnceDear

I tend to agree. There is a lynch mob forming because no-one can believe that Kentry is for real.

Though I strongly suspect that he is not for real, there is nothing beyond circumstantial evidence, which in itself, is just intuition ( and experiienced at that ).

Is intuition really the basis of banning? Is story telling against the rules?

Besides, even if Kentry is a fictional entity, does it matter? Those who are p1553d at a percieved yanking of their collective chain do not have to read or respond in his threads.

I sincerely hope that Kentry is indeed for real, and that we will read of his road to the gutter. Then, at least we will have a good scarecrow with which to warn young fools away from the worst aspects of gambling.

Sorry for mixing metaphors :)

This is correct. There is nothing in the rules that provides for banning Kentry. If he is banned, it will either be for something yet to happen, something not yet in evidence, or a judgement call.

Quote: Kentry

Yes, it is the point. I had only ONE bad run.

Hmmmm no.
It sounds like you had two very bad runs and a pretty good run if you lost a wad of cash, then won it back and then lost a similar amount again.

Anyways. I don't believe in God : I don't believe in Santa Clause: I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy and I don't believe in you. So I guess you are in good company. :o)

Quote: beachbumbabs

This is correct. There is nothing in the rules that provides for banning Kentry.

We can each ban him from our lives as and when we get bored with the story or the character.

Went to another Casino and decided not to be an idiot for once.I only played with the free play. I ran for the hills once the free play was over.

Quote: Kentry

Went to another Casino and decided not to be an idiot for once.

While the former is still the case, the latter will remain true.

Kentry,

You persist in ignoring the question. . .
WHY do you choose to gamble? What is your motivation? What is your expectation?

I like to gamble. I'm not a bad person for liking to gamble. :\

Well, went to Casino today to pick up free play, only to find out that my free play was for November only. Ouch. Could have used that damn free play, especially considering I owe someone $3 for tomorrow. Since my free play was $3 last month, I figured that I would just play pennies and turn the free play into $3 into cash to give the person the money. No such luck. I do have $2 on me, so I just need one more dollar to give them their money.

Silly

In my defense, there was no way for me to know that the free play was only for November until I went today to claim it.

Quote: Kentry

In my defense.

I think the only defense you could claim by now Kentry, is insanity. I don't mean this in an insulting way, but in the actual definition of the word.

Quote: Kentry

In my defense, there was no way for me to know that the free play was only for November until I went today to claim it.

Nope, no way at all..to bad they don't post these types of things on their website.

I kinda regret blowing the $2 in the Hialeah Park Casino on Tuesday. I blew that $2 when I still thought I had $3 in free play in the other Casino.

Me, I thought I left 2 cents in my pants pocket. When I looked, there was only one cent there. And only one other person in the house. I owed her 5 cents, but now it is 4 cents by gum.

Or how do you like this? The gas station is charging $1.899 for a gallon of gas, they always add the 9 mills*. The greedy Gus who runs the station always rounds it up to $1.90! We argue about that all the time. He complains I only buy one gallon at a time, but what does he expect?

*and the way he puts it on the sign, you can barely see it, and you think it is just $1.89

Quote: odiousgambit

Me,
Or how do you like this? The gas station is charging $1.899 for a gallon of gas, they always add the 9 mills*. The greedy Gus who runs the station always rounds it up to $1.90! We argue about that all the time. He complains I only buy one gallon at a time, but what does he expect?
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Made me laugh, nice way to start the day. thx

Las Vegas sales tax is 8.1%, I always have bolt cutters so I can give the store the correct fraction of a penny and no more

One evening back in college, I was hungry and the pizza place a block from the dorm had a special large 1-topping for $3.99. So, I scrounged my cash-on-hand and came up with exactly $4.23 (6% sales tax at the time), and called in my order.

When I went to pick it up, I put my money on the counter, but the clerk said it would be $4.25. Turns out they rounded their prices off to the nearest quarter (and, yes, sometimes down). Well, I tried to explain that it should be ($3.99 x 1.06 =) $4.23, and that was all I had on me, but the clerk would have none of it. For a brief while, we just stared at each other across the counter in a "well, what happens now?" type moment.

Finally, the manager saw what was happening and told the clerk, "Just take his money and give him the pizza."

The Cashier didn't want to give you the pizza over 2 pennies? What a complete A! And I don't mean the best Grade on a report card. SMH. You can find 2 pennies on the ground! So damn sad. SMH.