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House would not pay me the win
| July 7th, 2010 at 4:56:24 PM permalink | |
| cclub79 Member since: Dec 16, 2009 Threads: 26 Posts: 912 |
It sounded like he won on the 3rd line of a 3 line machine, and one excuse they tried to use was the bonus didn't engage, but the bonus wasn't part of the win that he scored, so it wasn't an issue. |
| July 7th, 2010 at 7:02:01 PM permalink | |
| Keyser Member since: Apr 16, 2010 Threads: 17 Posts: 528 | I know you haven't said the name of the casino, but I'm willing to bet I that I know the name. I BET IT'S CAESAR'S PALACE! Their new game is to use and abuse the patron dispute process. I've heard it from more than one person. It's not just a the small slot machine wins these days. They consider tables games to be fair game as well. If they think they can get out of paying, then they will try. Can you say, "Bad Faith!" It will take longer than 30 days for them to pay you. They will render a decision in 30 days. Then, the casino has another 20 days in which to appeal. Meaning, the casino will not be sending a check to the gaming commission on your behalf for approximately 50 days. This is a new and very distrubing trend that should be considered as "bad faith" by the gaming control. Openly name the casino and help put an end to predatory casino practices! Your best bet is to avoid them and just change casinos. |
| July 7th, 2010 at 8:00:26 PM permalink | |
| Mosca Member since: Dec 14, 2009 Threads: 63 Posts: 1457 |
I understand, but the machines just don't work that way. I don't design and build them, but the result as described is so far out of normal operation as to be incredible, in the most basic meaning of the word. Not paying on the 3rd line, with max units, if it's a pay line, would be the same as not paying on the center line with one unit. It just doesn't happen. It is far more likely that what the OP thinks he did is not what he actually did. The machines aren't infallible, but they're pretty damn reliable. When they go schitz you can tell. But people get brain farts all the time. What machine was it, what was the name of it? Blazing 7s, Fireball Frenzy? NO KILL I |
| July 7th, 2010 at 10:53:46 PM permalink | |
| cclub79 Member since: Dec 16, 2009 Threads: 26 Posts: 912 |
I agree that it's exceedingly inconceivable, but aren't the number of coins bet right there on the digital readout, and it remains there until the next bet is made? What I'm saying is, if he bet 2 coins, isn't the LED "2" right there, which would seem to end all arguments? I can't imagine Gaming would support him seeing that he didn't bet the line. |
| July 7th, 2010 at 11:07:25 PM permalink | |
| NicksGamingStuff Member since: Feb 2, 2010 Threads: 37 Posts: 529 | Actually speaking of Caesars being shady, I was playing Pai Gow Poker there and all the players were betting fairly heavily on the sucker side fortune bonus bet (around $5-$25) and the machine malfunctioned, I suspect the 7 card straight flush was out there and the machine sensed it (like it does in Dealer Bluff) and purposely malfunctioned! Im not a fan of malfunction voids all pays and plays, a VP machine could give me a royal flush and say it malfunctioned. Living in Las Vegas is not quite as exciting as I had hoped, but I like being able to support myself. |
| July 8th, 2010 at 8:16:34 AM permalink | |
| Mosca Member since: Dec 14, 2009 Threads: 63 Posts: 1457 |
Well, I wasn't there, and I have no reason to doubt that the OP's account is relayed as accurately as it could be. But yes, the situation as described is exceedingly inconceivable. NO KILL I |
| July 8th, 2010 at 8:21:26 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Nov 12, 2009 Threads: 11 Posts: 2179 |
The fortune Pai Gow side bet is such a sucker bet anyway that the casino makes plenty of money without having to doctor cards. The casino makes enough money anyway, and a $25K payout for a 7 card straight flush for example is piddles compared to the millions it makes on its whales. -----
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| July 8th, 2010 at 10:40:50 AM permalink | |
| SolidAU Member since: Jul 8, 2010 Threads: 0 Posts: 13 |
Off topic, but I just cannot believe silliness like this persists. There is, literally, a zero percent chance a large casino corporation is going to risk a significant fine, its license and reputation by doctoring a machine in such a way. We're talking what here, $25 - $35k? Caesars books action higher than that on single hands on most weekends. Not to mention the shuffler was probably leased from a third party vendor who would have been responsible for its operation and maintenance. The number of people that would need to be involved in such a conspiracy is prohibitively high to the point where such a scheme could never get off the ground without someone coming forward to blow the whistle. If you really are this paranoid, you should not be in a casino in the first place. |
| July 8th, 2010 at 11:15:12 AM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 256 Posts: 5769 |
I agree. As you said, reputable casinos don't need to cheat to have a healthy advantage over the players. Putting the ethical considerations aside, it would be terrible business to risk their reputation and fines over a win on a straight flush. Second, the common shufflers don't read the cards. There is a recent exception for the shuffler in the game Dealer Bluff. I don't think that even with MindPlay does the shuffler read the cards. Casino cheating isn't completely unheard of. For example, there is the case of the Venetian rigging a drawing. However, with the Fortune side bet, the risk of being caught overwhelms the reward. I wouldn't put the probably at "literally zero percent," but more like 0.001%. It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| July 8th, 2010 at 1:25:08 PM permalink | |
| nyuhoosier Member since: Feb 16, 2010 Threads: 31 Posts: 248 |
Wow wow wow. I had never heard that story; thanks for posting. Agree with the pro gambler in the article who said, "I'm shocked there was no mention of criminal charges. If this commission wants any credibility, criminal charges have to be brought. If they aren't, you should throw a picnic and go home." I'm guessing no charges were brought. If a single player who cheats a game faces prison time, certainly everyone involved here should have. This undermined the credibility of all of Las Vegas, so the penalties should be even greater. |
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