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Massachusetts Positive EV Lottery Game
| August 1st, 2011 at 2:55:08 PM permalink | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6732 | I'm posting this after reading the following article, A game with a windfall for a knowing few, from the boston.com web site. Briefly, the Mass lottery has a game called Ca$h Winfall. Unlike most lottery games, when the jackpot gets over a certain amount they bump up the lower prizes. How they do it is confusing, but on the July 18, 2011 drawing the game had a return of 117%. Unlike most positive EV lottery situations, this one did not have most of the value in a gigantic top prize, making a winner vulnerable to the annuity, taxes, and decreasing utility of money as the jackpot gets bigger. This is a simple pick 6 out of 46 game. Here is my table showing the EV for the 7/18/11 game. The cost per ticket is $2, so the return column is the win*probability/price.
The prize for catching two numbers is a free game. I get a value of 24 cents for that, assuming the prizes seen for the following 7/21/11 game. Anyone see any flaw in my math? I would keep an eye on this for my readers in the north-east. However, the publicity the 7/18 drew may induce more sharp players, depressing prize values. Evidently they pay out whatever was in the jackpot pool or 2x sales, whichever is less. In the 7/18 lottery the pool value was less, so they lowered the prizes to the uneven amounts you see in the table. I welcome all comments, corrections, and questions. It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| August 1st, 2011 at 3:16:04 PM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Nov 9, 2009 Threads: 173 Posts: 2404 | was this the same game someone cited and claimed it was a "syndicate" making the betting? [made it sound like mobsters to me] "Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." Mark Twain |
| August 1st, 2011 at 4:36:00 PM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Nov 17, 2009 Threads: 113 Posts: 2021 | An important note is that you will not get into the 100%+ range unless you are willing to put in $500,000+. This makes it a risky venture for smaller plays, even $100k will only have a 72% chance of breaking even or coming out ahead. Does the top prize pay out in a full lump sum or over time? Edit: The game website specifies a lump sum payout for all cash prizes. |
| August 1st, 2011 at 4:50:55 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6732 |
Where do you get that from? It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| August 1st, 2011 at 5:03:52 PM permalink | |
| Ayecarumba Member since: Nov 17, 2009 Threads: 113 Posts: 2021 |
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| August 1st, 2011 at 6:00:15 PM permalink | |
| weaselman Member since: Jul 11, 2010 Threads: 16 Posts: 1918 |
From the website you linked to, it looks like 7/14 game, not 7/18 ... Or am I reading it wrong? The reason I am asking is ... I am in the North East so I am going to need the exact methodology here :) The real question is how to find out a future game is going to be +EV. Is it explained somewhere how exactly the amount of next jackpot is calculated, and how it gets rolled down to the lower levels? Or is it common knowledge? :)
100% + return is not the same as 100% chance of winning. I'll take a 72% any day :) Don't even mind a 51% chance :) "When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary" |
| August 1st, 2011 at 7:29:21 PM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 310 Posts: 6732 |
That does not mean the same thing as needing $500,000 to have a positive EV. The writer is trying to say how much you would need to have "almost no risk" of losing. Buying just one ticket would have a positive EV. Consider a bet with a 1 in a million chance of winning that pays 2 million. Just one ticket would have a positive EV, but you would need to buy 693,147 tickets to have a greater than 50% chance of winning.
I think you're reading it wrong. The odds I came up with agree with the Mass Lottery web site. It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet. |
| August 2nd, 2011 at 4:22:45 AM permalink | |
| weaselman Member since: Jul 11, 2010 Threads: 16 Posts: 1918 |
You mean does not mean ... right?
It must be my stupid day or something ... Why wouldn't buying 500,000 tickets give you a 50% chance?
Could you link to the page you are comparing the odds to? So, are you saying they are publishing future prizes on the site?
Does this mean that the August 1st jackpot is $556,581.00, not July 28? I don't think that is the case, because currently on that page, there is a new line added for August 1st: 719 08/01/11 11-17-28-33-34-41 $621,090.00 None $4000 $150 $5 And, $621,090.00 does seem to be August 1st jackpot, because the line on top of the page says "Current jackpot: $700,000" "When two people always agree one of them is unnecessary" |
| August 2nd, 2011 at 6:59:03 AM permalink | |
| lucky13 Member since: Nov 1, 2009 Threads: 8 Posts: 69 | "was this the same game someone cited and claimed it was a "syndicate" making the betting? [made it sound like mobsters to me]" That was me, when I posted the link on Sunday. By Syndicate, I meant nothing nefarious or illegal, just an Investment Group. The article references several Investment Groups that exploit the game. Kudos to them for determining the advantage play. |
| August 2nd, 2011 at 7:31:18 AM permalink | |
| lucky13 Member since: Nov 1, 2009 Threads: 8 Posts: 69 | Fun while it lasted.... http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/08/02/lottery_restricts_high_level_players/ State now restricting the number of sales that can be made per store. Still possible to gain advantage it seems, but now requires a bit more logistical planning. |
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