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October 7th, 2013 at 1:11:25 PM permalink
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October 7th, 2013 at 2:05:55 PM permalink
This sounds like a 3 Card/Mississippi hybrid.
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October 7th, 2013 at 2:19:23 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

This sounds like a 3 Card/Mississippi hybrid.



I played this for about 1/2 hour while at G2E; it's on the end of the carnival games at the Venetian, near UTH and Crazy 4. I hated it; found it a complete black hole for money, all forced bets, and about as boring as a reverse let-it-ride and very similar. I would give it a solid pass-over rating.
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October 7th, 2013 at 3:07:38 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

... and about as boring as a reverse let-it-ride and very similar.


Hmmm....

Dealers hate Let It Ride primarily because of the constant pushing back the bets. This reverses things so it's up to the player to add the bets, while keeping most of the Let It Ride concept. Should be interesting to keep an eye on it.
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October 7th, 2013 at 3:23:32 PM permalink
Here are WA Rules for the game:

Big Raise Stud Poker

It looks like a game with one decision, a 25% hit rate against a pay table......it is tough to get too excited about a game with those parameters.
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October 7th, 2013 at 3:45:01 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Here are WA Rules for the game:

Big Raise Stud Poker

It looks like a game with one decision, a 25% hit rate against a pay table......it is tough to get too excited about a game with those parameters.


Yep, and how much of that hit rate are pushes? :+)
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October 7th, 2013 at 3:51:51 PM permalink
I'd like to see this game at more gambling destinations. It sounds fun.
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October 7th, 2013 at 4:16:32 PM permalink
Quote: miplet

Yep, and how much of that hit rate are pushes? :+)


I don't know but I know this guy that can figure that our for you....he was working on the hit rate for Double Draw Poker excluding pushes as well :-)
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October 7th, 2013 at 4:31:19 PM permalink
heeheeehee...gotta love raw talent (ie miplet!)
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October 8th, 2013 at 7:49:56 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

I don't know but I know this guy that can figure that our for you....he was working on the hit rate for Double Draw Poker excluding pushes as well :-)


Easy one first.
Big Raise Stud in google docs.
Hit Rate With Push 0.267794810231785
Hit Rate no Push 0.189300685867242
There are several paytables listed. I used the first one. Save your own copy and you can modify the paytable. Basic strategy changes if flushes only pay 5.

Edit 1/13/14: to fix a small error
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October 9th, 2013 at 7:52:03 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

Easy one first.
Big Raise Stud in google docs.
Hit Rate With Push 0.265370763690091
Hit Rate no Push 0.188606694662463
There are several paytables listed. I used the first one. Save your own copy and you can modify the paytable. Basic strategy changes if flushes only pay 5.

Thank you for doing that Mips, to me that is a sub 19% "hit rate" and that is an awful experience for the player. I really didn't think the 25% Hit Rate quoted in the WA filing included Pushes.

Double Draw Poker will be an interesting one.....I had heard at G2E that the hit rate was 40%, but I bet that includes Pushes as well. To me anything less than about 35% of hands where the player actually gets paid on their main be is going to be a tough sell to today's table game population....but then again, there are some still playing LIR with its 24% Hit Rate, so what do I know!
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October 12th, 2013 at 9:13:25 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Thank you for doing that Mips, to me that is a sub 19% "hit rate" and that is an awful experience for the player. I really didn't think the 25% Hit Rate quoted in the WA filing included Pushes.

Double Draw Poker will be an interesting one.....I had heard at G2E that the hit rate was 40%, but I bet that includes Pushes as well. To me anything less than about 35% of hands where the player actually gets paid on their main be is going to be a tough sell to today's table game population....but then again, there are some still playing LIR with its 24% Hit Rate, so what do I know!


In Double Draw Poker you get paid even money on the Ante and Play wagers with 2 pairs or better. It's the Bonus bet that pushes with only 2 pairs. I think I'm going to pass on analyzing this game. It's pretty complicated.
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October 14th, 2013 at 12:23:31 PM permalink
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The sheet lists basic stategy as follows:

Bet 4x on:
*A pair of 6's or better
*If all three cards are suited and at least jack high.

Bet 1x on:
*All other three suited cards
*Two of your three cards are 6's or better


Not sure how much playing that BS will cost you (can figure it out if someone really wants to know), but here is the Full BS with the 500, 100, 40, 8, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0 paytable:
H=10-A
M=6-9
L=2-5

Bet 4x on:
Trips
Pair of 6's or better
3 suited H
3 to a straight flush with 2 H
The following suited cards:
J 9 8
T 9 8
T 9 7
T 8 7
9 8 7
9 8 6
9 7 6
8 7 6
7 6 5

fold:
Unsuited:
HML
HLL
MML
MLL
LLL

Bet 1x on:
All others
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October 14th, 2013 at 2:43:12 PM permalink
Very nice of you to work this out, Miplet! Good work!
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October 14th, 2013 at 4:22:09 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Right, very nice and thanks. Now the key question. What's the house edge?


house edge: 2.5750607935482%
element of risk: 1.3234614776143 %

edit 1/13/14 : fix small error
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