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December 3rd, 2012 at 4:34:11 PM permalink
I'd like to draw the attention of online players to this investigation of an allegedly unfair roulette game detailed at The Pogg. Between two tests, a single number was bet in single-zero roulette 1156 times. The number of wins was zero. The probability of this is (36/37)^1156 = 1 in 56,951,102,314,281.

My compliments to the Pogg for their good detective work and efforts to keep onling gambling fair and honest. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite sites for gambling online.

Meanwhile I will withhold my judgment until the casino has had a chance to do their own investigation. During such time they took the game offline, which was the right thing to do. However, I still can't help but wonder how hard is it to draw random integer from 0 to 36.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 5:14:47 PM permalink
With the blatant cheating that is caught from time to time, it makes me wonder how many on-line casino's are proficient at cheating, to the degree they will never get caught. Quite a few, I would think.
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December 12th, 2012 at 3:00:02 PM permalink
I bet they will come with the "update went wrong and nobody noticed it" bull. - "The error will be soon corrected and game back up."

Always same story. - I wonder why these errors are not going into players favor and if this happen, they are refused their winnings ?
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December 12th, 2012 at 3:13:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'd like to draw the attention of online players to this investigation of an allegedly unfair roulette game detailed at The Pogg. Between two tests, a single number was bet in single-zero roulette 1156 times. The number of wins was zero. The probability of this is (36/37)^1156 = 1 in 56,951,102,314,281.

Do you know the name of the software provider to these casinos? Who actually wrote the software?
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December 12th, 2012 at 3:43:56 PM permalink
Slotland does not hide the fact that their games are effectively rigged. All of their game pages include a disclaimer like the following, which was taken from their Jacks or Better page:

Quote: Slotland

Please note that all Slotland games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Therefore, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination on Jacks Or Better is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins.



On winadaycasino.com's FAQ they first state that everything acts like it does in Atlantic City, but then negate that by making basically the same statement:

Quote: winadaycasino.com

Please note that all games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Thus, with card games, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins.



I wouldn't find it terribly surprising that their roulette is rigged too.
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December 12th, 2012 at 4:24:23 PM permalink
I wouldn't play that roulette game just to avoid hearing that fake French accent over and over again.
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December 12th, 2012 at 6:26:41 PM permalink
i can verify that "win a day casino" does honor their no deposit bonus though if successfully completed.
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December 14th, 2012 at 12:41:24 AM permalink
Hi all - just to let you know that i've had to alter the conclusion to the original report due to WinADay's decision to credit losses as bonuses rather than cash. To be up front the bonuses were larger than the losses but i personally don't feel it was an appropriate decision.
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December 14th, 2012 at 9:32:18 AM permalink
Winaday and Slotland are both now on my blacklist.
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December 14th, 2012 at 9:48:42 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

My compliments to the Pogg for their good detective work and efforts to keep onling gambling fair and honest. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite sites for gambling online.


I'm quite surprised you gamble online at ALL Mike, considering you live in Vegas...
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December 14th, 2012 at 9:53:23 AM permalink
Quote: TIMSPEED

I'm quite surprised you gamble online at ALL Mike, considering you live in Vegas...

I guess I was confused -- did the Wizard mean it was his favorite site to place on-line bets or his favorite site to get information about gambling online?
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December 14th, 2012 at 9:58:51 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

I guess I was confused -- did the Wizard mean it was his favorite site to place on-line bets or his favorite site to get information about gambling online?



To get information. The Pogg is not a casino, but a watchdog site, endeavoring to point players to the good online casinos, and warn them about the bad ones. While many sites claim to do this, many just sell good reviews. However, The Pogg is one of the few honest sites keeping an eye on the industry.
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December 14th, 2012 at 10:05:39 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

To get information. The Pogg is not a casino, but a watchdog site, endeavoring to point players to the good online casinos, and warn them about the bad ones. While many sites claim to do this, many just sell good reviews. However, The Pogg is one of the few honest sites keeping an eye on the industry.


Ahh ha...my mistake.
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February 14th, 2013 at 11:35:40 AM permalink
If it leaves one or more numbers out of scope it gives a nice extra advantage for the player.. after noticing it. I'd like to play flawed Roulette and take the money with me.
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February 14th, 2013 at 11:39:20 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'd like to draw the attention of online players to this investigation of an allegedly unfair roulette game detailed at The Pogg. Between two tests, a single number was bet in single-zero roulette 1156 times. The number of wins was zero. The probability of this is (36/37)^1156 = 1 in 56,951,102,314,281.

My compliments to the Pogg for their good detective work and efforts to keep onling gambling fair and honest. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite sites for gambling online.

Meanwhile I will withhold my judgment until the casino has had a chance to do their own investigation. During such time they took the game offline, which was the right thing to do. However, I still can't help but wonder how hard is it to draw random integer from 0 to 36.

I may out of line here but I believe that the record for a single number not showing was 455 spins in a brick and mortar game? Does that sound right?
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February 15th, 2013 at 10:41:30 PM permalink
Wizard,

Awesome. I'm really impressed with the speed with which you blacklisted the casinos. Really great.
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February 15th, 2013 at 10:47:24 PM permalink
why did they place 1100+ bets? Shouldn't it have been just as obvious after 500 spins without a win?

edit... nvm.... read the article
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February 16th, 2013 at 3:05:40 AM permalink
Please note that all Slotland games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Therefore, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination on Jacks Or Better is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins.
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Any such disclaimer, undoubtedly hidden somewhere in the fine print, seems strange. I can't even figure out just what it means anyway.

"Not natural but controlled by this shred random mechanism as in a slot machine" could simply mean, we use pRNG chips in roulette rather than a physical wheel of slowly decaying speed.
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