boymimbo
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July 17th, 2017 at 8:12:31 AM permalink
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Sands and Shills... As I have said over and over... Lie, Cheat and Steal is what the game is all about. Get used to it!



It is not incredible to see what shades casinos will go to to get business. Casinos are willing to sign up players in China where gambling debts are not recognized.
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jopke
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July 18th, 2017 at 8:39:05 PM permalink
On page 30 of his book Law for Gamblers, Bob N asserts that players sharing info in Pai Gow Tiles could be considered cheating. He cites the casino having a sign restricting communication as part of the argument. This opinion would imply sharing info in any card game, like Lunar Poker, is in the “cheating” category, which I disagree with. Further, a sign restricting communication doesn’t seem to be relevant. If the casino put up a sign that said “no card counting” I don’t think that would make counting cards cheating.

I'd like to know his thoughts on this.
Romes
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July 19th, 2017 at 11:39:58 AM permalink
Quote: jopke

On page 30 of his book Law for Gamblers, Bob N asserts that players sharing info in Pai Gow Tiles could be considered cheating. He cites the casino having a sign restricting communication as part of the argument. This opinion would imply sharing info in any card game, like Lunar Poker, is in the “cheating” category, which I disagree with. Further, a sign restricting communication doesn’t seem to be relevant. If the casino put up a sign that said “no card counting” I don’t think that would make counting cards cheating.

I'd like to know his thoughts on this.

Me too... To play devils advocate, they are private businesses. For example, in Europe they have a clause in the paperwork you have to sign to become a member of their clubs stating you will not count cards. Thus, if they can prove you did, then you did indeed violate that agreement. HOWEVER, on yet another appearance with Bob N. he stated (accurately) that good card counters can NOT physically sit at a table and NOT count the cards. Thus the agreement would be null and void because they can't enter in to such an agreement as it's not something they are physically capable of doing. A lot of options for both sides =P... which is why I'd also like to hear his opinion on this:

- Casino "rules" to prevent AP such as signs about discussing hands, sharing information, clauses about card counting in player agreements, etc.
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jopke
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July 19th, 2017 at 1:02:13 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Me too... To play devils advocate, they are private businesses. For example, in Europe they have a clause in the paperwork you have to sign to become a member of their clubs stating you will not count cards. Thus, if they can prove you did, then you did indeed violate that agreement. HOWEVER, on yet another appearance with Bob N. he stated (accurately) that good card counters can NOT physically sit at a table and NOT count the cards. Thus the agreement would be null and void because they can't enter in to such an agreement as it's not something they are physically capable of doing. A lot of options for both sides =P... which is why I'd also like to hear his opinion on this:

- Casino "rules" to prevent AP such as signs about discussing hands, sharing information, clauses about card counting in player agreements, etc.



Big difference between breaking the house rules and cheating. I have no problem if a casino says "don't do this, if you do we'll kick you out" vs "don't do this, if you do you'll be arrested." So for me, the word cheating is the key, at least in the context of this particular book that word implies breaking the law.
BobDancer
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July 20th, 2017 at 8:51:10 AM permalink
The Nersesian show was taped last night and will be posted tonight. This final mini-thread between jopke and Romes made the cut, as did about 1/3 of the other questions suggested. We simply ran out of time --- which was good because it means Nersesian will be back in the near future to continue the discussion. The posts here we didn't get to are still on the list to be asked next time.

Thank you to everyone here who has helped make the show better.
Romes
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July 20th, 2017 at 9:39:12 AM permalink
Definitely excited to hear the show tonight! Really interested on Bob's take on several of these topics, and it's not every day you get to hear someone of his stature/understanding speak on the topics.
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MrV
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July 20th, 2017 at 9:55:00 AM permalink
How and when can I view the show on my computer?

Will it be archived for later viewing?
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gamerfreak
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July 20th, 2017 at 10:24:54 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

How and when can I view the show on my computer?

Will it be archived for later viewing?


http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/richard-munchkin/gambling-with-an-edge
Romes
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July 20th, 2017 at 11:51:20 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

How and when can I view the show on my computer?

Will it be archived for later viewing?

I believe it's shared on their FB Page, Richard's YouTube, and the gamblingwithanedge website.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.

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