Kickass
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December 21st, 2016 at 5:58:29 PM permalink
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_(term)

"the term Chinaman is noted as offensive by modern dictionaries. Its derogatory connotations evolved from its use in pejorative contexts regarding the Chinese and other Asians. While usage of the term Chinaman is nowadays strongly discouraged by Asian American organizations,[5][6][7][8] the term has been used by English speakers of Chinese descent and others, without offensive intent,[5][8] and has also been used as a self-referential archetype by authors and artists of Asian descent."

Bros, update your vocabulary.
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RS
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December 21st, 2016 at 7:00:05 PM permalink
Quote: Kickass

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinaman_(term)

"the term Chinaman is noted as offensive by modern dictionaries. Its derogatory connotations evolved from its use in pejorative contexts regarding the Chinese and other Asians. While usage of the term Chinaman is nowadays strongly discouraged by Asian American organizations,[5][6][7][8] the term has been used by English speakers of Chinese descent and others, without offensive intent,[5][8] and has also been used as a self-referential archetype by authors and artists of Asian descent."

Bros, update your vocabulary.

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BobDancer
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December 21st, 2016 at 11:10:42 PM permalink
I received an email on Tuesday that my use of "Chinaman" was offensive. I didn't remember saying it. I went back and listened to the tape and I indeed said "Would a wealthy Chinaman from Beijing find it easier to fly to Japan or Macau?"

I was absolutely not intending to be derogatory. I had no idea the term was offensive. Reading this thread, I'm not the only one who didn't know the term was considered racist or otherwise objectionable. Tomorrow's show, an interview with Australian advantage slot player Peter Liston, begins with an apology. I didn't mean to offend anybody.

I'm hope the apology will be accepted at face value and the matter will be dropped. I will attempt to never use that word again.
onenickelmiracle
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December 21st, 2016 at 11:29:00 PM permalink
Quote: BobDancer

"Would a wealthy Chinaman from Beijing find it easier to fly to Japan or Macau?"

In the context of that sentence, meaning even to say Chinese man might come out Chinaman just by not saying what you meant to say. Anyone who jokes about people confusing Pacific for specific has found out the hard way, when you don't mean to say Pacific, you do, as if you don't know any better. Someone pointed out me saying I hated bad Chinese, to make it seem like I was talking about the ethnicity when all I meant to express was disliking the food. Their complaint was only a zinger, it was a good one, and I never thought I wasn't being clear. It's so easy to not even consciously say words.

If anything ever happens like this again, use the senior moment card. You're too smart to use offensive words on purpose, but words are buried deep in the brain never forgotten, and sometimes they're misfiled, coming out completely innocently.
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EvenBob
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December 22nd, 2016 at 12:37:58 AM permalink
Quote: BobDancer

I didn't mean to offend anybody.



Geez, Bob, settle down. If you go thru life
worrying about who you're offending,
those people are living your life instead
of you. The more you give them power over
you, the more they'll take. People can
insult me all day long, I can take care
of myself. Why can't the sacred 'offended'
do the same.
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Kickass
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December 22nd, 2016 at 12:44:19 AM permalink
I do understand that it can be a mistake. I just want to raise people's awareness about this term. I once sent a group text message to my friends saying "Let's go to Jap restaurant". By being lazy, I actually kind of insulted my Japanese friend. The word, jap has a special meaning during World War II. He corrected me and I apologized. Life moves on.
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tringlomane
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December 22nd, 2016 at 1:55:52 AM permalink
Quote: Kickass

He corrected me and I apologized. Life moves on.



And this is what most people do when they have unintentionally offended someone.

But EvenBob is insinuating that BobDancer is overreacting by being apologetic over this. But EvenBob obviously won't apologize for his racially stereotypical comments toward terapined that multiple other members have said are offensive. "Eyes squeezed shut"? I mean, come on! But I'm sure EvenBob will skate away from a suspension for the umpteenth time.
AxelWolf
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December 22nd, 2016 at 2:08:56 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Geez, Bob, settle down. If you go thru life
worrying about who you're offending,
those people are living your life instead
of you. The more you give them power over
you, the more they'll take. People can
insult me all day long, I can take care
of myself. Why can't the sacred 'offended'
do the same.

Your comments won't affect you financially so you can say anything you want with no real consequences. Your dog will probably still love you. When you are selling books, teaching classes, doing a show etc etc it's better to apologize.

I'm not suggesting that's the reason he apologized, but it's certainly something one might consider.
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Gandler
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December 22nd, 2016 at 6:47:57 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Geez, Bob, settle down. If you go thru life
worrying about who you're offending,
those people are living your life instead
of you. The more you give them power over
you, the more they'll take. People can
insult me all day long, I can take care
of myself. Why can't the sacred 'offended'
do the same.




I agree, we live in a society where everyone is expected to tread on eggshells, even when having a private conversation. Just say what you think, if people go out of their way to construct offense, that says more about them.

There is virtually nothing anyone can say to or about me that will cause offense, as long as you do not threaten somebody, people need to just get over it.

If somebody is being intentionally racist, then yes criticize them. But, if people pick apart every little sentence looking for an antiquated word, that was used offhand, to be outraged by, then there is no pleasing them, they will always be upset about something.

A month or 2 ago, there was a serious group that started a Twitter tag, to ban the term "Black Friday" since they thought it was originally reffering to selling slaves (which is not slightly true), and not long before that some people where I live were protesting Columbus Day since he was a colonizer or whatever, so there is always people looking for obscure ancient references to be upset about in 2016..... Point is you cannot feel bad about offending people, because some people live for finding offense.
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MrV
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December 22nd, 2016 at 8:36:28 AM permalink
There's an unfair double standard here.

Blacks can call each other "nigger" or "niggah" with impunity, but if a white uses the term the PC police will pull their hair out and piss themselves in righteous indignation.

Why should blacks get a bye on this, but not whites?

Weren't all men created equal?

So, if a Chinese man calls another Chinese man a "Chinaman," does he get a bye also?

If so, why?

"What, me worry?"

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