I would NOT use what trump says as a base line for politically correct... Otherwise we should all start grabbing 'em by the p****.Quote: Gandler
...I have even heard Donald Trump say Chinaman (I think even "wealthy Chinaman"), many public figures use it. I don't know the context, but I doubt that they had bad intentions.
I just don't get what is offensive with the term Oriental
It doesn't bother me or my mother who is full blooded Chinese.
I am a fan of history
I remember the orient express. I or my mother was never offended by the name on the train.
What does bothers me is a private message from EB today on this site full of hate for me on this subject
I was really taken aback by the PM
If I get suspended for revealing this, so be it
If Bob were referring to a wealthy man from China, calling him Chinese-American would be both wrong and stupid.
I'm not an Irish-American. I'm an American of Irish descent, even though I was born in neither.
I am actually biracial - Irish/Chinese
A friend once joked that I like beer with my rice :-)
Maybe "Chinaman" isn't as offensive as some other pejorative terms, but I've never heard it used by anyone I have an ounce of respect for. I found a great thread on another forum. I can't post links due to my low post count but if you google "chinaman offensive" it's the second result. Here is one of the best posts:
1) If the person is not ethnically Chinese, you've not only demonstrated you can't tell the difference between Asians, but you're also saying there's no significant difference. That not only do all Asians look alike, they are culturally the same.
2) If the person is ethnically Chinese but identifies as American, you've told them that their ethnicity will always separate them from Americans no matter how long ago their ancestors came here or how immersed they are in American culture.
3) "Chinaman" implies a person from China, not just of Chinese ancestry, which implies that to you, no matter how Americanized they are or what their citizenship is or anything, they will always be an outsider who doesn't belong in America.
Does that classification include Koreans, Vietnamese, Thais and even Japanese?Quote: onenickelmiracle
I think the reason is the term really only describes people as a group with one less eyelid fold. Asian can mean anyone from Asia, including Indians, but Oriental only includes yellow skinned, foldless eyed people. Basically you're making reference to a group by common ethnic appearances. It's more polite doing the same thing, but using geography. Oriental is linked to the old days, when only whites had rights. Think that is another aspect.