Ok I am confused. Why is Chinaman offensive if the person you are describing IS from China? .
Could be worse, this classic Cheessteak shop in Philly had to change its name and lost business.
Although, I find it interesting that the "Orient Express" went only as far east as Constantinople.Quote: terapined
I just don't get what is offensive with the term Oriental
It doesn't bother me or my mother who is full blooded Chinese.
I am a fan of history
I remember the orient express. I or my mother was never offended by the name on the train.
Well, that sucks! I hope you can let it go. I know you post a lot in the political threads here. I can't say that I agree with some of your positions, but you put forth thoughtful arguments. I don't ever recall you being disrespectful to anyone.Quote:
What does bothers me is a private message from EB today on this site full of hate for me on this subject
I was really taken aback by the PM
If you are not eating at Pats Steaks, you not having a genuine Philly Steak and cheese
I remember when NBA star John Havelich retired, last 2 months of his final season was treated as a farewell tour.
In Philly, he was presented at center court before the game with a take out order from Pats Steaks :-)
"Chinaman", when directed at an Asian-American, is insulting because:
1) If the person is not ethnically Chinese, you've not only demonstrated you can't tell the difference between Asians, but you're also saying there's no significant difference. That not only do all Asians look alike, they are culturally the same.
2) If the person is ethnically Chinese but identifies as American, you've told them that their ethnicity will always separate them from Americans no matter how long ago their ancestors came here or how immersed they are in American culture.
3) "Chinaman" implies a person from China, not just of Chinese ancestry, which implies that to you, no matter how Americanized they are or what their citizenship is or anything, they will always be an outsider who doesn't belong in America.
It's most definitely not a term whose degree of offensiveness is dictated by usage or context. I cannot think of any situation in which an Asian-American being called a Chinaman would be inoffensive. It's true that anyone using the term "Chinaman" reveals a lot more about himself than it insults the speaker, but that doesn't take away from the negative connotations of the term.
Are you from Philly? You must not be from Philly. Pat's and Gino's are garbage. Chinks is great though.
I'll even go a step further and not even recxomend a cheesesteak if you are in the city. There is a much better sandwich. Dinic's pork with provolone and long hots. John's roast pork is a good runner up.
Back on topic....growing up in a pretty diverse area, I found that 99% of people do not take offense to racial slurs in/of themselves. It all depends on the context. If you are legitimately being hateful towards someone, of course they are going to get upset.