CasinoKiller
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October 14th, 2016 at 11:34:20 PM permalink
Downtown grand is advertising No commision buy bets on 4 and 10. I personally haven't seen this anywhere else
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October 15th, 2016 at 2:58:23 AM permalink
Try a few places in New Mexico, also. It has been talked about in many threads. And why to play or not to play.
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October 15th, 2016 at 5:28:38 AM permalink
Quote: CasinoKiller

Downtown grand is advertising No commision buy bets on 4 and 10. I personally haven't seen this anywhere else

Go take a look, and then ask yourself..... WHERE ARE ALL THE SO CALLED DI's??

Why are they not there betting as much as possible?

If there was any other legitimate AP play, legitimate AP's would be all over it.
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October 15th, 2016 at 7:11:38 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Go take a look, and then ask yourself..... WHERE ARE ALL THE SO CALLED DI's??

Why are they not there betting as much as possible?

If there was any other legitimate AP play, legitimate AP's would be all over it.



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October 15th, 2016 at 7:57:06 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Go take a look, and then ask yourself..... WHERE ARE ALL THE SO CALLED DI's??

Why are they not there betting as much as possible?

If there was any other legitimate AP play, legitimate AP's would be all over it.



Not willing to risk all the money they make selling classes?
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October 15th, 2016 at 11:08:22 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

WHERE ARE ALL THE SO CALLED DI's??
Why are they not there betting as much as possible?


My understanding of what I have read, dice influence after a point is established is an attempt to (slightly) decrease the chance of rolling a 7 and increase the chance of rolling a desired number. Dice influence is not the ability to roll a specific number every time.

When the 5% vig is waived for Buy bets on 4 and 10, a $20 Buy will win $40 instead of $39. Of course, 7 is still the most likely number to be rolled and the $20 is likely to be lost. Winning $1 extra on a $20 bet doesn't sound to me like an advantage play that would cause advantage players to flock to the tables. However, in my opinion, it will intrigue the players who already like to make these Buy bets.
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October 15th, 2016 at 3:40:40 PM permalink
Quote: CasinoKiller

Downtown grand is advertising No commision buy bets on 4 and 10. I personally haven't seen this anywhere else



This might be a stupid question, but does this promotion eliminate the 5% vig on Laying the 4 and 10?

Would that remove the house edge completely from these bets?

I will be playing craps downtown next week and would invite any DIs to come out who need a witness... ;)
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October 16th, 2016 at 2:36:32 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf


If there was any other legitimate AP play, legitimate AP's would be all over it.



Entirely correct. Now answer why!
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October 16th, 2016 at 3:01:15 PM permalink
Quote: drussell0208

This might be a stupid question, but does this promotion eliminate the 5% vig on Laying the 4 and 10?
Would that remove the house edge completely from these bets?


Edit: No, the promotion is only for Buy bets on the 4 and 10.

The vig is the commission, which gives the house an edge because a Buy bet pays true odds. You may also see/hear this referred to as a "free" Buy bet, just like "free" odds on a point. Every other bet on the table has a house edge.

A "free", no commission Buy bet should not be confused with a Buy bet that charges the commission only on a win. Some casinos charge the vig to make the bet, while others charge only on a win. I've read forum posts of people thinking if it's free to make the bet, they must charge when it wins.
Last edited by: BlueEagle on Oct 16, 2016
drussell0208
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October 16th, 2016 at 3:20:43 PM permalink
Quote: BlueEagle

Yes and yes. The vig is the commission, which gives the house an edge because a Buy bet pays true odds. You may also see/hear this referred to as a "free" Buy bet, just like "free" odds on a point. Every other bet on the table has a house edge.



Sweet. Thanks. I love a little Dark Side with a Lay 4 or 10 sometimes. :)
BlueEagle
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October 16th, 2016 at 7:43:50 PM permalink
Quote: drussell0208

Sweet. Thanks. I love a little Dark Side with a Lay 4 or 10 sometimes. :)


I apologize, I misread your question. The promotion is no commission for Buy bets on the 4 and 10 (I've heard $10 minimum bet.) There is no mention of Lay bets, so I must assume the normal vig still applies.
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