Much like Santa Ana Star Casino in NM, Sandia Casino has apparently introduced "No Vig Craps"

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April 27th, 2013 at 3:00:34 PM permalink
newshooter
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Quote: 100xOdds
dont bother with the 6 and 8. heck, dont even bother with Pass line!

Play the lowest house edge:
Either buy the 4 and 10 only, or play the triple 2 field.
and make it working on every roll.


OK. Thanks to all for the advice.

I was at both of these places around a month ago. You'd be surprised how little the field was being bet and, to a somewhat lesser extent, the 4 and 10. The couple of times I was there, there seemed to be a lot of inside action - moreso at the Route, than at Santa Ana.
April 27th, 2013 at 4:43:31 PM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: newshooter
OK. Thanks to all for the advice.

I was at both of these places around a month ago. You'd be surprised how little the field was being bet and, to a somewhat lesser extent, the 4 and 10. The couple of times I was there, there seemed to be a lot of inside action - moreso at the Route, than at Santa Ana.


Well, it shows to go you that more casinos should do this. The players don't know what to do with what they are handed anyway, maybe they just hear that the craps is set "loose".

Meanwhile APs also have no interest.
"Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." Mark Twain
April 27th, 2013 at 6:16:19 PM permalink
RaleighCraps
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Quote: sodawater
if they are offering craps bets with zero house edge, you'd have to be insane to make bets that do have a house edge. Disregard any talk of "if the table is rolling 6s and 8s," because that's nonsense. The dice don't remember what they rolled the last throw, and even if they could, they don't have little hands and feet to reposition themselves the same way for the next throw.


I'm not disagreeing with you and odious by any means, but I am pointing out that in the overall scheme of things, just because you are making a 0% house edge bet, does not mean you are guaranteed to have the better outcome for that craps session.

Buying the 4 and 10 with no vig, and playing the field on triple 2 and 12 are both great bets. But if the 4s and 10s aren't being rolled, and 6s and 8s are, you will lose money, even though you were making the 'smarter' bet.

I know Superrick tracks all of the rolls in his sessions. I would love to see how the number distribution looks for him in each session. I bet there is rarely a perfect distribution of numbers. I can't explain it, but I have played hundreds of hours of craps at a wide variety of places, and I have seen places where certain numbers seem to come up more than they should. And the difference between a 0% edge bet, and 1.52% on a $5 bet is just not that big enough of an amount in a 4 hour craps session.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
April 27th, 2013 at 7:25:16 PM permalink
sodawater
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Quote: RaleighCraps
I can't explain it, but I have played hundreds of hours of craps at a wide variety of places, and I have seen places where certain numbers seem to come up more than they should. And the difference between a 0% edge bet, and 1.52% on a $5 bet is just not that big enough of an amount in a 4 hour craps session.


You feel this way because humans have evolved for 1000s and 1000s of years as hunter-gatherers, and hence, evolution placed a great premium on the development of the human brain to constantly search for patterns. What is useful for spotting a deer in a forest is totally counterproductive when trying to interpret the output data of random events.

Every single roll of two-dice is independent. Another way of saying it is there is absolutely no predictive value of past rolls for upcoming rolls. So, even if the table has been rolling 6s and 8s like they are going out of style, there is simply no way to exploit that information in a bet for the next roll.

It's one thing to look back at your time at the table and say "certain numbers came up more than they should." That's going to happen every session! The real value is saying which numbers will come up more often BEFORE they come up. And this can't be done.

The only reason someone should place the 6 and 8 when a table allows different zero-edge bets is if the entertainment value of the negative bet exceeds the cost of the bet. And that may well be the case. Sometimes it's nice to hit your favorite number. I like to play an occasional hard eight, because that's my favorite number, but I do it for the entertainment value when it hits.
April 27th, 2013 at 7:46:43 PM permalink
RaleighCraps
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Quote: sodawater
...The only reason someone should place the 6 and 8 when a table allows different zero-edge bets is if the entertainment value of the negative bet exceeds the cost of the bet. And that may well be the case. Sometimes it's nice to hit your favorite number. I like to play an occasional hard eight, because that's my favorite number, but I do it for the entertainment value when it hits.


But isn't the whole game of craps entertainment value? Even with a 0% HE bet, there still is no money to be made from the game. Therefore, you had better be playing for the entertainment, because if you are playing for mortgage money, you're going to be homeless.
Always borrow money from a pessimist; They don't expect to get paid back ! Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
April 27th, 2013 at 8:09:49 PM permalink
AxelWolf
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Quote: teddys
I did visit the casinos in Albuquerque. For my bankroll's sake, I wish I hadn't.

I first went to Santa Ana Star. This was the hardest to get to and the furthest from the freeway. They did have the free bet on the field, four, and ten. I also noted that they had the 9/7 paytable on Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em trips, and a very good double deck blackjack game, neither of which I played. I played craps for about 10 minutes and was the only one at the table . I bet the passline, max odds (10x), and the four and ten for $25 each. I also bet the field starting at $15 and pressing on every win in a Fibonacci sequence. I eventually got sick of having to make a pass line bet, and colored up down $230. I got a tasty breakfast burrito with green chili for $1.75.

Next I went to Sandia. This is nice, but not super nice. It reminds me of some of the Indian casinos in AZ, like Lone Butte. They had the free buy on the four and ten. I bought them both for $25 each (no other bets), and doubled the bet after every win. One guy got both my four and ten up to $250 each, and then threw a die in the bowl when the faces clearly showed four...next roll, seven out :(
After that it got really bad and I left with a $400 loss.

Route 66 is outside of town on 1-40. It was also not very crowded. They gave me a free ace in blackjack where the max bet was $100. I bet a black chip and got a 6 on my ace. Dealer showed 10, so I hit and got a 2 for nineteen. Dealer had 20 :( The craps table had the same free buy on the four and ten. There was one other shooter at the table who was a real asshole. I bought in and played the same way I had at Sandia, parlaying the four and ten. I was winning a little (4 & 10s were hitting), when the guy said some shit to me and I finally had it and said "take all my bets down." Of course, as soon as I did this I KID YOU NOT the dealer called about six 4s and 10s in a row. I came back later and dropped $500 on a cold table.

I stopped a two more casinos on I-40, neither of which had craps, but I did pick up some free souvenirs like a New Mexico coffee mug. Fire Rock in Gallup had a $5 craps table with 3x4x5x odds. I decided to give it a throw, and again I was the only player. I played my usual method of $5 coming and max odds on every throw. It LITERALLY took me less than 15 minutes to lose $660. If someone had told me, "Shoot as worse as you possibly can," I'm not sure I could have fulfilled that directive more thoroughly. I think I collected on about three odds bets out of 50 or so made. I left and tipped the dealers $5, who were very nice.I really hate craps right now.
You had me at $100 Ace how do you get that? I find it hard to believe they will keep allowing that.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
April 27th, 2013 at 9:30:52 PM permalink
Ahigh
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I still need to get over to this place.
April 27th, 2013 at 10:27:24 PM permalink
klimate10
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After my review, I went back several more times to the Santa Ana Star. I was eventually banned from the star for abusing the craps game (max bet on 4,10, refusing to return mispay on the field, never tipping dealers, and not making pass bets). Now that the Sandia has the same 4,10, I will go back and play at the Sandia. I don't mind getting banned, as it saves me from my gambling addiction (I take the same view as Steve from discountgambling.net, as when he was banned from Barona for abusing the +EV games, in that banishment is a good thing because it cures addiction and frees up time).

Btw, I was one of the players who played max odds at the riviera when they had 1000x odds. I lost my entire years bankroll of $100,000 in about two days, hence the reason for my hiatus. But now it's a new year and I will gamble for a little bit, post reports here, and then disappear until next year. My net loss for the year was approx 30,000, as I had won approx 45,000 from the Star (all luck, no advantage play), which I didn't touch, and 25,000 from triple attack BJ before I was backed off the game (mmmmm, I love that game). The triple attack BJ win was mostly luck, as my win rate was way higher than the player advantage shown on discountgambling.net. I wired my 100,000 bankroll to the riviera and left with zero. Ouch.

I will be posting a report on Council Bluffs Horseshoe soon.

Ahigh, if you want, I will be at Sandia at the end of May, if you want to meet up. btw, you can not wire money to the star, so you have to have it on you. Dangerous walking around with a $50,000 brick.

Feel free to ask me any questions regarding the Star.
April 28th, 2013 at 2:14:42 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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"Baccarat is a game whereby the croupier gathers in money with a flexible sculling oar, then rakes it home. If I could have borrowed his oar I would have stayed." Mark Twain
April 28th, 2013 at 2:32:45 AM permalink
AxelWolf
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How far is the place with the $100 ace from Vegas and how do you get them? I will hitch a ride with you Ahigh.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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