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Gambler accused of dice sliding at Wynn Las Vegas - Sued for return of $700,000
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| February 4th, 2012 at 12:17:12 PM permalink | |
| buzzpaff Member since: Mar 8, 2011 Threads: 81 Posts: 2798 |
Probably working on his side job as Newt Gingrich's speech writer ! Buzz Paff |
| February 4th, 2012 at 2:03:47 PM permalink | |
| kp Member since: Feb 28, 2011 Threads: 7 Posts: 422 |
Maybe after 57 pages he was convinced that card counters aren't such bad people after all. It is well known that changing someone's mind on the Internet is just a matter of enough pages on a thread. |
| February 4th, 2012 at 5:06:22 PM permalink | |
| Paigowdan Member since: Apr 28, 2010 Threads: 54 Posts: 2097 | uh oh...the Dragon head snake head awakes.... I was catching up [coughing up?] on some work: shift work, game design projects, correspondance, etc. Had to clear out the inbox. It wasn't about card counters or APs or anyone one particular catagory being "bad people." It was about "bad or questionable actions." How I simply see it: Good people think and do good actions. Good people also do bad actions sometimes, thing they're good actions, and without cost to anyone. Bad people inflict bad actions on people and don't care about anything except what's in it for them and what they can get away with. Actions, and justifications for action are what we see and witness in the pit, and for that matter everywhere for everyone. There are fine lines and opinions all over the place on all subjects, the boundary lines adjusted not by what is right on a neutral POV, but from a what's in it for me from my POV. I pay my fare, don't pilfer from buisness saying "oh, since they're evil, it's righteous to steal from them," I don't try justify it otherwise or think it's fine, I play by the rules as best I can, that's me. I am an absolute FREAK in a sea of glamblers. I design games that they choose to play, and they don't try to cheat them, they just want to get a Royal or a 10-high Pai Gow on them. People can disagree with me and despise me. I think of the scene in TEAM AMERICA, where Kim Jong-Il busts out into song, singing while holding a glass of Chivas Regal on the rocks: "It not easy being me.....I'm so roan-rie....nobody rub me.....people want to kirr me...." If they AP on a game I designed, a gun was involved.... Gambling doesn't build character, it reveals..no character. But a lot of characters. |
| February 4th, 2012 at 5:34:11 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6361 | Dan this is from another thread. Do you see anything wrong with this behavior from the casino? Did you ever think that casinos sweat the money, and yes they will ban you if you are winning every time you go into them. I only play craps, and was banned from a couple casinos and the dice taking off me numerous times...I've even seen one don't player get banned from playing, only because he was winning, and was way to greedy. They told him that he could no longer play craps in that casino, here was a guy that never picked up the dice...There are many casinos in Vegas that will take the dice off you if you are setting the dice, and winning...If you are in the casinos everyday you see all kinds of stupid things the casino will do when somebody is winning, to try to stop them from winning... There are suits that think that the money anybody is winning is their money, and they will do anything they can to stop a roll from happening, even banning the player or taking the dice off them! One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| February 4th, 2012 at 5:36:16 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6361 |
We don't despise you, Dan. We despise that 300 pound Somoan guy in the Wiz video on Pai Gow. One casino owner to another: "It would be so much easier if we could just hit them over the head, steal their money, and throw their bodies in the creek." Al Swearengen, Deadwood |
| February 5th, 2012 at 12:19:18 AM permalink | |
| Paigowdan Member since: Apr 28, 2010 Threads: 54 Posts: 2097 |
Yes, I do agree, Bob. I wouldn't ban a dice setter if he's hitting both dice off of the back wall, or a don't bettor who never ever touched the dice, and that's a crime too, on the part of the casino, as far as I'm concerned. (oh! that WORD! I FEEL FAINT!....I dropped my pearls.....) When casino execs and floor supervisors see a winner on a clean game, their only response should be to trust that the math allows for proper winners and variance, and that they'll see these good customers again by saluting these clean winners. There are jerks and devils on both sides of the table, as well as on both sides of the counter, the altar, the ticket line, etc....
Oh. That's Mr. Fukuyami Hashimoto, - and a great guy.... Gambling doesn't build character, it reveals..no character. But a lot of characters. |
| February 5th, 2012 at 5:31:17 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6361 |
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| February 5th, 2012 at 5:49:46 PM permalink | |
| Paigowdan Member since: Apr 28, 2010 Threads: 54 Posts: 2097 | The suits on the floor often stay on the floor, as they are frequently unworthy of being promoted up into the corporate offices. We see both morons and fine people in every field and discipline. It's best to make sure that our own doctors and lawyers are class-A, than to worry about some suit on the floor when you're a player. That's more like worrying about some box office clerk when buying a show ticket, - not a major life event, as opposed to a botched lawsuit or brain surgery operation. If you're peeved about some floorman, write a letter to the casino operator describing the situation and your concerns, and move on in life. Gambling doesn't build character, it reveals..no character. But a lot of characters. |
| February 5th, 2012 at 9:25:12 PM permalink | |
| EvenBob Member since: Jul 18, 2010 Threads: 231 Posts: 6361 |
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| February 5th, 2012 at 10:05:15 PM permalink | |
| Paigowdan Member since: Apr 28, 2010 Threads: 54 Posts: 2097 | In the Vegas market area, the vast majority of floormen are very experienced, - and are very fine and accurate. With rare exceptions, You will basically see just about NO ONE on the floor who's too inexperienced. I've seen only one really bad floorman, and he was sh]tcanned ages ago. In newer markets, it's more likely to be a mixed bag of quality in the pit crew. Gambling doesn't build character, it reveals..no character. But a lot of characters. |
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