quincy
Joined: May 17, 2017
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May 17th, 2017 at 1:49:22 PM permalink
Trying to figure out if it is possible for a system I want to try and use or maybe someone here has done this and can tell me how bad of an idea this is. I would try this at a \$5 table if I can only find \$10 tables I would just double all bets.

I want to lay the 4 & 10 for \$20. Then I would like to place the 5 and 9 for \$5 and the 6 & 8 for \$6. If my place bets hit I would take them up one unit on each subsequent hit after the first hit. If my 4 or 10 is lost I would leave it down until roll has 7 outed.

Is this something I can make a script for on WinCraps or is there another simulator out there that I could?

Has anyone tried this before and found it is ok or awful?

Thank you
Romes
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Thanks for this post from:
May 17th, 2017 at 2:03:59 PM permalink
Like all other craps systems, I assume you already know it's a loser but the question becomes how much of a loser?

0.42% HE (per roll) on the 4/10 lays.
0.46% HE (per roll) on the 6/8 place bets
1.11% HE (per roll) on the 5/9 place bets

https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/appendix/2/

Thus, per roll, you could expect to lose the following per your unit size:

EL(\$5 bets) = 10(-.0042) + 10(-.0046) + 10(-.0111) = -.042 - .046 - .112 = -\$0.20... so you could expect to lose 20 cents PER ROLL with this system and a \$5 unit.

EL(\$5 bets) = 20(-.0042) + 20(-.0046) + 20(-.0111) = -.084 - .092 - .224 = -\$0.40... so you could expect to lose 40 cents PER ROLL with this system and a \$10 unit.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
DeMango
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May 17th, 2017 at 2:04:24 PM permalink
We need a dummies book for writing programs for Win Craps! Steen: What sayest Thou?
mustangsally
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May 18th, 2017 at 8:51:31 AM permalink
Quote: quincy

I want to lay the 4 & 10 for \$20.

ok
Quote: quincy

Then I would like to place the 5 and 9 for \$5 and the 6 & 8 for \$6.

ok
those place 5 and 9 really are poor bets.(by house edge of course)

I would not make them and rather bet 2 units on the 6&8 instead, imo.
Quote: quincy

If my place bets hit I would take them up one unit on each subsequent hit after the first hit.

after the second win does all the place bets go up 1 unit or does just the one that wins?

Quote: quincy

Is this something I can make a script for on WinCraps or is there another simulator out there that I could?

I do not know if you can,
but I (eye)
have lots of these auto bet files close to this and can easily adjust it. I do
use Wincraps Classic
so I would have to convert over (easy using Pro, still have to check to make sure it works)

R all bets working on the come out roll?
each bet does not know it is a come out roll, btw
Sally
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quincy
Joined: May 17, 2017
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May 18th, 2017 at 12:33:58 PM permalink
Yes, maybe that is better just place the 6 & 8 for \$12 each and lay the 4 & 10 for \$20 each.

After the 6 or 8 hits a second time press just that number by one unit and another unit every time it hits.

I would have all bets working on come out roll.

Thank you
onebok
Joined: Mar 31, 2016
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May 19th, 2017 at 7:38:47 AM permalink
Quincy:
Since you stated your desire to try this out in live play, be aware that most casinos would require a
minimum \$40 lay plus \$1 vig on a 4 or a 10.
quincy
Joined: May 17, 2017
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:25:31 AM permalink
Ok, thanks. I have never bet a lay. I thought the vig was \$1 on a \$20 bet.
mustangsally
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May 19th, 2017 at 9:50:35 AM permalink
Quote: quincy

Ok, thanks. I have never bet a lay. I thought the vig was \$1 on a \$20 bet.

Lay bets on the 4&10 work like this.
the vig is most times 5% of what you can win.
so \$40 pays \$20
there is the \$1 vig

some places have lower minimums
not all
Sally

I have the code done in WC Classic
` When . . .          Initializing Auto-Bet     or when . . .          A point is decided "against" any number     or when . . .          Last roll was a come-out roll          Any 7 has rolled each time then . . .          Bet \$ 5 on Place 5          Bet \$ 5 on Place 9          Bet \$ 6 on Place 6          Bet \$ 6 on Place 8          Bet \$ 10 on Lay 4          Bet \$ 10 on Lay 10          Bet \$ 0 on Chip-Stack # 5          Bet \$ 0 on Chip-Stack # 6          Bet \$ 0 on Chip-Stack # 8          Bet \$ 0 on Chip-Stack # 9          Go to "end" While . . .          Place 5 has won each time then . . .          Add \$ 1 to Chip-Stack # 5 While . . .          Place 5 has won each time          Chip-Stack # 5 is greater than \$ 1 then . . .          Add \$ 5 to Place 5          Go to "end" While . . .          Place 6 has won each time then . . .          Add \$ 1 to Chip-Stack # 6 While . . .          Place 6 has won each time          Chip-Stack # 6 is greater than \$ 1 then . . .          Add \$ 6 to Place 6          Go to "end" While . . .          Place 8 has won each time then . . .          Add \$ 1 to Chip-Stack # 8 While . . .          Place 8 has won each time          Chip-Stack # 8 is greater than \$ 1 then . . .          Add \$ 6 to Place 8          Go to "end" While . . .          Place 9 has won each time then . . .          Add \$ 1 to Chip-Stack # 9 While . . .          Place 9 has won each time          Chip-Stack # 9 is greater than \$ 1 then . . .          Add \$ 5 to Place 9 end`

will convert to pro later
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Wizard
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May 19th, 2017 at 12:02:28 PM permalink
Hi Sally! Welcome back. Long time no hear.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Steen
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May 20th, 2017 at 4:35:40 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

We need a dummies book for writing programs for Win Craps! Steen: What sayest Thou?

Well, I wrote quite an extensive help file and have many dozens of free scripts as well as a FAQ on my web site. Plus I stop by here from time to time :-)

However, I have toyed with the idea of doing some videos to show how to do things. What do you think?

Steen