InTimeForSpace1
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April 11th, 2017 at 8:07:41 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

No different than the atheist who believes that everything came from nothing and The Universe has no cause.

You have to wonder from came where all this (loaded) wording. It's like a few Pied Piper popularist scientists tell each of us what to say, and how to say it (back and forth to each other). So dated. Whatever happened to grounded or working originality?
Believers are the ones who keep at it long after they've been told it can't be done. On the other hand, the real experts shouldn't care about the crackpots. But, if the wrong answer begs the question, then the wrong question begs the answer.
MrV
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April 11th, 2017 at 8:25:59 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

No different than the atheist who believes that everything came from nothing and The Universe has no cause.



I'm an atheist and that is not how I look at it.

I simply say "It's beyond me, I don't know how the universe came into existence."

Unlike the devout, I can face life without a pre-programmed response to this Deep Question.

I can face up to the fact that when my life is done, it's DONE: no afterlife, no harps, no 72 virgins awaiting me in paradise.
"What, me worry?"
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April 11th, 2017 at 8:54:26 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I'm an atheist and that is not how I look at it.

I simply say "It's beyond me, I don't know how the universe came into existence."

Unlike the devout, I can face life without a pre-programmed response to this Deep Question.

I can face up to the fact that when my life is done, it's DONE: no afterlife, no harps, no 72 virgins awaiting me in paradise.



I'm an Agnostic, but basically feel the same way. I don't apply the, 'Atheist,' tag to myself so much because it is still a belief, it's just a belief in a lack of something. My perspective on the matter is that the only thing I know is that I don't know.

If there is some great deity, or more than one, he/she/they should have made his/her/their presence more immediately obvious.
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April 11th, 2017 at 9:07:57 AM permalink
I go along with Douglas Adams:

“There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

"There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”
"It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows." -Epictetus
ThenWhatHappens
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April 11th, 2017 at 9:49:01 AM permalink
Quote: FCBLComish

The biggest problem with the "Dice Setter" is that he slows the game down. Casinos make money on decisions per hour, and someone taking up to 60 seconds to shoot the dice cuts into the bottom line.


I have a new appreciation for the routine/method/ritual that others use. After grinding away for 3+ hours last weekend and nearly exhausting a 100x bankroll, we had an Old-School Vegas Diva buy in at our table. She was a regular, she knew what action she wanted and how to call it and she had a routine when it came time to throw. To select her dice she would pinch and drop looking for sixes to set aside. Finding two, she would line up boxcars and rest them across the passline for two or three seconds then shoot. It was a welcome distraction that focused the table and gave plenty of time for setting bets. She was consistant in her method which meant the table picked up a rhythm. Normally I don't miss an opportunity to shoot but she did well enough on her second time at bat, I colored up despite being next on the rail.
We all get the boxman that doesn't recognize an honest effort to throw properly, I usually get an apologetic look from the stick when it happens. There are times they lay it on too thick and ya just want to ask, "Are all of your kids in therapy or do you single out one of them as well?"
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QFIT
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April 11th, 2017 at 9:58:31 AM permalink
If a setter is slowing the game, the stickman can preset the dice.
"It is impossible to begin to learn that which one thinks one already knows." -Epictetus
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April 11th, 2017 at 10:27:57 AM permalink
In my view, the superstitious nature of the game is part of what makes Craps fun and I pseudo buy into it just for entertainment purposes. It is for that reason that I set the dice with the sixes up on the come out roll (and one six facing sideways) and then either do the Flying-V or a Mini-V with the twos up on all subsequent rolls.

I naturally realize that none of this accomplishes anything at all, but I also do not take seventeen years setting the dice, either, whether or not other people are at the table. I generally don't play Craps (unless I am at the casino with someone) if anyone else is at the table, anyway, so how long I take is really not anybody's concern except for mine. I would feel bad taking even two seconds to ineffectually set the dice if I went to a table that other players were already at, but I figure it is their problem if someone joins the table when I was there first, and, again, I have them set in under two seconds.

I do believe the superstition is also a fun part of the game. The stick must not have been paying attention when he sent the dice back to me showing 4-3 on one occasion. Unable to help myself, I looked at the dice very pointedly and then looked at the stick and said, "Really?" I'm a pretty good tipper, so he just chuckled and asked, "What do you suggest we do?" I told him just to change one of the faces to something else with his stick, and then I would live with it.

I don't say the number, 'Seven,' when there is an established point number, either. I tried it once just to prove that the superstition is utter bunkum (which we all know it is) the only problem is that I sevened out on my very next roll.

I guess I don't apply it in life, but I now adopt Pascal's Wager at the dice table.
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April 11th, 2017 at 12:17:15 PM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow

And, guess what? Might be hard to believe, but sometimes -- and far too often IMHO -- the stick pushes out the dice before both dealers have finished processing payouts and bets. I understand the stick is expected to keep the game moving as quickly as possible (because casinos make money on decisions per hour), but aren't they supposed to check both dealers before pushing the dice out? When a busy dealer overlooks paying my Field-bet win, my "Pay my Field!" alert -- even if announced just before the dealer finishes the Place bets -- sometimes comes as the dice are in mid-air. Situations like this should happen far less than they do. Dice setters often allow situations like these to get fixed before dealer errors become problems. And, problems often delay the game for more than a few seconds.


Excellent point! - The stick is supposed send the dice when both base dealers are clear and ready, with all base-side bets processed from lay bet removal/DC bet removal or move-up-behind bets FIRST, then...(line bets if a line action), field bets, come bets, and place bets - in that order, while the stickman takes down center prop bets. Field bets are the first or second to be paid, but are often paid late and out of sequence - as a more sporadic bet than an up-for-the-point-cycle place bet or a 'move that come bet' bet. This is because 'serious' crap players don't play the field bet as a newbie bet.

Generally, when we have a full table of serious players, when see a field bet, what is thought is "what is THAT doing out there in plain sight? and we handle it. Fine.

Stickman may also give the FULL ORDER call: "[Winner] Nine, Down behind the 9, move new DCs to the 9, [take the don't, pay the line if the point], pay the field, come bets go to 9," rarely said fully, - mentioning everything YOU see on stick to be handled to help the base dealers - with the place bets handled without a call as the only instruction never given by the stickman. Basically it is '9, pay the line and field, typically, done with, you base dealers handle this.

The DC bets get processed "quick and first" on the rare occasion someone bets them or has then behind the line. You can see how messy crap dealing can get, just nasty on a jammed up and messy table with demanding players yelling for immediate service first and out of order. It can get nuts.

Stickmen/women who run over base dealers are shunned, and it is sometimes done to make a dealer look bad or slow, more often just from bad dice dealing habits from a moron on stick. Never acceptable, regardless. Hence a short moment allowed for dice setting.
Now, if center prop bets need to be paid out, this will help prevent some "base dealer run over," as its done last in a bang-bang-bang action, with the stick having calculated the needed payouts as he base dealers did their own take and pays, which can get real busy and hairy. Actually this is why Graveyard/Overnight shift is good: one or two players max each side at 5:30AM on a Tuesday morning, eminently doable!

A NOTE TO MIKE: A Man "Eric" bought into the crap table at 4AM tonight, saying he watched the "MIKE SHACKLEFORD EXCELLENT CRAP GAME TEACHING VIDEOS," and is here to play when no one is around, and is going to make don't pass bets with one or two DC bets; he did so for 90 minutes, doing great. A reeal quick study is a testament to Mike's video, for all that was said here: this was real world at a Station's property. The player absolutely insisted that the Pace of Mike's video was really perfect for training new players, and keeping them interested.
When I shipped the dice to him, he then saw me and shat his pants, as if I came out of the videos he was just talking about! (Mike used me on the videos as a crap dealer. He then said "Dan? Holy Sh]t, you lost a ton of weight from when you did that video with Mike and Angela." Eff me! This is 100% true, the player played on his card, and crap dealer Frank M. (formerly of the Horseshoe) was on 2nd base. And I did not hit him with the stick, but thanked him, as he was one of the few to notice.

The player then spent half his time perfecting his DC/don't bet knowledge (again saying Mike's video was super, and was at a GREAT pace for new learners, and wasn't slow at all or in the least!)

The other half of the time the player was asking a lot of questions about Angela Wyman. Frank asked why all the questions about this Angela, and I told Frank he has to see the videos to get that. And Yes, the player did discuss "short-sticking" with us. Then Frank got it and laughed.
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InTimeForSpace1
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April 11th, 2017 at 12:40:44 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

If there is some great deity, or more than one, he/she/they should have made his/her/their presence more immediately obvious.

What if God/Devil is simply our interpretation of the religion as it exists, itself?
Believers are the ones who keep at it long after they've been told it can't be done. On the other hand, the real experts shouldn't care about the crackpots. But, if the wrong answer begs the question, then the wrong question begs the answer.
InTimeForSpace1
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April 11th, 2017 at 12:42:11 PM permalink
Quote: QFIT

I go along with Douglas Adams:

“There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

"There is another theory which states that this has already happened.”

Can't have a universe which is solved, ie, one without problems.
Believers are the ones who keep at it long after they've been told it can't be done. On the other hand, the real experts shouldn't care about the crackpots. But, if the wrong answer begs the question, then the wrong question begs the answer.

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