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March 28th, 2018 at 12:23:08 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Please inform us of how much you're winning then and how many hours you logged at the craps table. Then people will take you seriously. Until then, you're one of 2 options. You're a casino shill or you're a troll.



Neither a shill nor a troll. Im offended... but not really. I'm just a guy who has been there and done that... and have figured out what works for me. That fact that you could not win as you set out to on your journey, with all of your crazy stories and rants and blaming the world, just tells me who you are as a person. Of all the people on here, your have the greatest sympathy from me. Get you life together and give up gambling. You do not have the mental aptitude to succeed.
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:49:44 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

Is this post for real? How can someone be this uneducated about 'gambling'. Comfortable living off craps? Basing your results off short term variance? No wonder they build casinos. Geez.



You need to remember something here. I make one bet and it's only on the come out roll, then I take all my bets down and watch the game till a point is made and I can bet again. In the mean time,

After a point is established I'm watching what goes on at the table an I notice many things.
One main visual, are the guys that visit the table with $5000.00 and leave shortly after with either a small loss or a small average profit usually around $400-$500

Secondly I will see regulars continuously filling/emptying their chip trays playing hard ways with quarter chips and filling their trays with black chips. Sometimes two rows, other times the rows next to them.

I see a ton of stuff that I could share on here but I'm posting too much as it is and need to slow down.
The winners are practically invisible to casinos making just a few hundred dollars per day.

I'm not a professional gambler but I've seen many things at the tables in my 40 years of gambling.
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:50:20 PM permalink
Anyone that has a winning system playing crap who can consistently win but yet they have a job and are not filthy rich IMO are either lying or retarded.

They have Access to an advantage and BR scaling 24/7 365 in tons of locations around the world.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 28th, 2018 at 12:52:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Anyone that has a winning system playing crap who can consistently win but yet they have a job and are not filthy rich IMO are lying or and* retarded.

They have Access to an advantage and BR scaling 24/7 365 in tons of locations around the world.


fixed that for you

and yes this is true
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March 28th, 2018 at 1:02:36 PM permalink
In my city, there are quite a few regulars (Call them couch potatoes if you will) playing their same old same old.
6,8's, doey/don'ts (just so they can roll the dice.), system players, dice setters, they are all here.

The one I like most is the guy that buys in with a stack of 25.00 chips and plays nothing but hard ways and I watch him lose but then on some nights the guy has continuous lines of black chips in front of him.

I've also watched a few of the fire bet players sitting there for hours waiting to bet their entire bank roll on lay bets.
(It's funny to watch them run to the bank machine to get more money when the 6th point is established)
I'm not sure if they win much or how often but they play pretty consistent.

There is a madness to every method I guess. But it does happen on a regular basis.
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March 28th, 2018 at 1:48:55 PM permalink
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Question? If someone can make 500/day playing at the casino and winning consistently, why risk your winning to win more. I could see letting it all ride at a vegas casino but if you're winning consistently, why not just make a comfortable living for yourself with the smaller wins?


I think you will realize why you and WatchMeWin are getting pooped on if you take a little bit of time to understand Expected Value (EV).

Every bet in the casino (except select VP) has a build in house edge. You can find a list here.

The house edge for pass/come is 1.41%, which means for every $1 you bet on the pass-line, you will lose $0.0141 on average. So each wager has a negative expectation. The expected value of a $1 passline wager is -$0.0141, -$1.41 value for a $100 wager, etc etc etc.

And this is where I think a lot of systems players get tripped up. It is called expected value because the actual outcome in the short term will often be different than the calculated EV due to variance. But just because variance is on your side and you've had profitable sessions does not mean that you are overcoming that negative expectation. Here is an example:

Say there is a $1 slot machine with a 5% house edge and $100k jackpot. Each pull has an EV of -$0.05. If I walk up to that machine and win the $100k jackpot on that first spin, the VALUE of that spin was still -$0.05 REGUARDLESS of how much the player won/lost.

Without some sort of promotion, it is not possible to overcome the negative EV of any craps wager. If you are playing for entertainment and can afford to lose your bankroll, more power to you. But having a good run is not an indication that a system is creating a positive expectation, it's just good variance (luck).
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March 28th, 2018 at 1:50:09 PM permalink
My internet is super slow so can you guys keep posting these fairy tales, I can't watch netflix and need to keep myself entertained
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:38:15 PM permalink
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My internet is super slow so can you guys keep posting these fairy tales, I can't watch netflix and need to keep myself entertained



Sorry to hear that. My internet is super fast and I have every channel I need, when Im not traveling to wherever I want whenever I want.... and this is not because I was handed down some money from mommy and daddy.

Some can grok situations and find the opportunity to capitalize regardless of the vulnerabilities and risks associate with them, while others sit back with fear and skepticism. Some can see today what others dont realize until tomorrow. Some take action and make things happen, while others just complain and jab from the outside looking in with envy.

Gamblers are funny people. Each one thinks he or she is the smartest in the room at all times. Take a good hard look in the mirror and access your life situation. If you are happy with it, then great. If not, try to make it better. Being the negative nelly in life is a sad way to live. There are a few others here I wont mention... but they know!
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:50:10 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Sorry to hear that. My internet is super fast and I have every channel I need, when Im not traveling to wherever I want whenever I want.... and this is not because I was handed down some money from mommy and daddy.

Some can grok situations and find the opportunity to capitalize regardless of the vulnerabilities and risks associate with them, while others sit back with fear and skepticism. Some can see today what others dont realize until tomorrow. Some take action and make things happen, while others just complain and jab from the outside looking in with envy.

Gamblers are funny people. Each one thinks he or she is the smartest in the room at all times. Take a good hard look in the mirror and access your life situation. If you are happy with it, then great. If not, try to make it better. Being the negative nelly in life is a sad way to live. There are a few others here I wont mention... but they know!



There is a big difference between a negative Nelly and someone that is grounded in reality and can look at a situation with a clear mind and mathematical facts. If you are saying you are loaded with money and travel anywhere you want because you are good at playing craps, then there is no helping you. If that is the case, you live in a fantasy world and nothing anybody says is going to change that.


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March 28th, 2018 at 2:54:56 PM permalink
you'll need mommy and daddy's money if you keep playing -EV games. At least you'll have fun tho
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:56:21 PM permalink
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There is a big difference between a negative Nelly and someone that is grounded in reality and can look at a situation with a clear mind and mathematical facts. If you are saying you are loaded with money and travel anywhere you want because you are good at playing craps, then there is no helping you. If that is the case, you live in a fantasy world and nothing anybody says is going to change that.


ZCore13



Thats not what I said. You need to clear your mind. Ive stated many times, Im not a professional gambler. Im just very good at the choices I make when I do.... and yes, the w's are consistent. Seldom l's , and when they occur they are small.
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March 28th, 2018 at 2:58:56 PM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Thats not what I said. You need to clear your mind. Ive stated many times, Im not a professional gambler. Im just very good at the choices I make when I do.... and yes, the w's are consistent. Seldom l's , and when they occur they are small.



Same answer. If you are saying that these choices you make and you're consistent winds are in craps, no chance. You either don't keep records or have been on a short-term lucky run. You can't roll or play any better than I, or anyone else can, with eyes closed rolling out of a red solo cup.


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March 28th, 2018 at 3:03:30 PM permalink
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Same answer. If you are saying that these choices you make and you're consistent winds are in craps, no chance. You either don't keep records or have been on a short-term lucky run. You can't roll or play any better than I, or anyone else can, with eyes closed rolling out of a red solo cup.
ZCore13



Keep smoking whatever it is your indulging in. I venture to guess you lose .. a lot! Stay away from the game if you dont win. There are other games you can participate in.. bingo, yatzy, parcheesi. Im sure you would be good at them.
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:07:16 PM permalink
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Keep smoking whatever it is your indulging in. I venture to guess you lose .. a lot! Stay away from the game if you dont win. There are other games you can participate in.. bingo, yatzy, parcheesi. Im sure you would be good at them.



That answered my question. Thank you.


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March 28th, 2018 at 3:09:15 PM permalink
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That answered my question. Thank you.


ZCore13



My pleasure. Keep doing what you do!
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:10:49 PM permalink
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Keep smoking whatever it is your indulging in. I venture to guess you lose .. a lot! Stay away from the game if you dont win. There are other games you can participate in.. bingo, yatzy, parcheesi. Im sure you would be good at them.

If he's smoking anything, it might be pot but If we had to guess you are smoking crack laced with hallucinogens, at the craps table anyways.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:12:41 PM permalink
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If he's smoking anything, it might be pot but If we had to guess you are smoking crack laced with hallucinogens, at the craps table anyways.



There he is!!! Ive been waiting for your chime in. I suppose you were busy at work! Welcome!
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:16:20 PM permalink
keep in mind that consistency does not mean every single day or every visit to the craps table.
Gamblers can also be consistent from winning one, losing one, winning two, losing two.
Can also be losing 25% of your bank roll 4 times consistently vs. winning 200% of your bank roll one time.

Anyone saying, YEAH I WIN EVERYDAY is a fool compared to YEAH I MAY LOSE EVERYDAY BUT WHEN I WIN, I WIN HUGE is much more believable.

Truth is a consistent winner will play to win approx 25% to 30% above his bank roll before calling it a day.

NO ONE in their right mind would every risk trying to double their bank roll on a daily basis unless they're completely crazy.
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:18:44 PM permalink
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keep in mind that consistency does not mean every single day or every visit to the craps table.
Gamblers can also be consistent from winning one, losing one, winning two, losing two.
Can also be losing 25% of your bank roll 4 times consistently vs. winning 200% of your bank roll one time.

Anyone saying, YEAH I WIN EVERYDAY is a fool compared to YEAH I MAY LOSE EVERYDAY BUT WHEN I WIN, I WIN HUGE is much more believable.



Not if the wins exceed the losses. Not believable at all. Unless of course it's just random luck, which is possible in the short-term.


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March 28th, 2018 at 3:23:53 PM permalink
Remember the guy who said take a $10.00 bet and double it after every win for 10 wins, results in 10k

Now if you lose 10.00 per day you would have 1000 chances to do it again, and if it works a couple times then there is a potential for consistency.

Sometimes, short term luck is all we need to stay afloat.

When it comes to casino gambling, luck is their middle name.
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March 28th, 2018 at 3:29:41 PM permalink
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keep in mind that consistency does not mean every single day or every visit to the craps table.
Gamblers can also be consistent from winning one, losing one, winning two, losing two.
Can also be losing 25% of your bank roll 4 times consistently vs. winning 200% of your bank roll one time.

Anyone saying, YEAH I WIN EVERYDAY is a fool compared to YEAH I MAY LOSE EVERYDAY BUT WHEN I WIN, I WIN HUGE is much more believable.


That comes back to variance.

The more you play, the less variance you will see. In other words, the more time you spend on a game, the closer your actual results will be to the expected value of your wagers.

So lets go back to the 5% house edge (or 95% return) $1 slot machine. The EV of 10 pulls would be -$0.50. However, the probability of losing more $0.50, or winning anything, is very high for a single session of 10 spins. But after 100, 1000, 10,000+ spins the probability of being up or down from expected value shrinks.

The more you play, the closer your real life results will be to amount wagered minus the HE of that wager.
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April 15th, 2018 at 11:56:17 PM permalink
I win all the time because I don't bet stupid like 99% of the others do. But i'm not like ya'll. I keep my stuff secret.
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April 16th, 2018 at 7:53:26 AM permalink
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I win all the time because I don't bet stupid like 99% of the others do. But i'm not like ya'll. I keep my stuff secret.

If you many ANY bet on a fair craps game it's technically a stupid bet, because they're all -EV.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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April 16th, 2018 at 8:02:26 AM permalink
He comes back after a 4 year absence spouting nonsense. Has to be some sort of motive.
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April 16th, 2018 at 8:06:10 AM permalink
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He comes back after a 4 year absence spouting nonsense. Has to be some sort of motive.



IP match with LayMeDown may explain the motive.
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April 16th, 2018 at 8:14:44 AM permalink
Its weird

I have heard of gambling addiction but GFA (Gambling Forum Addiction?)
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April 16th, 2018 at 8:21:30 AM permalink
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IP match with LayMeDown may explain the motive.


That dawned on me. What is wrong with these people?
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April 16th, 2018 at 8:24:51 AM permalink
I guess talking about how much you are winning is a coping mechanism to how much you are actually losing.
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April 16th, 2018 at 8:33:07 AM permalink
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IP match with LayMeDown may explain the motive.

Guessed it was him resurfacing with a sleeper account.
Dead giveaway was his posting stupid craps advice in a baccarat thread.
Who else do we know who moved on from Baccarat to Craps BS?

He'll be back.
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April 16th, 2018 at 12:01:57 PM permalink
I wonder how many of these inactive accounts that come back have been hacked.

I don't know what the forum does about repeated login failures, but given a list of inactive accounts, a password dictionary, and time, you can just start rolling through them trying to break in.
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April 16th, 2018 at 1:33:39 PM permalink
Trying to figure out if he spelled genius wrong on purpose or is just that much of an idiot. I’ll go with idiot.

Of course if he has other sleeper accounts I just insulted a member.
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April 16th, 2018 at 2:48:42 PM permalink
I come out ahead every time and have never had a losing session. I'm a Craps dealer.
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April 16th, 2018 at 4:47:24 PM permalink
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IP match with LayMeDown may explain the motive.

I didn't even need an IP match.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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