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Tiltpoul
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April 1st, 2012 at 5:22:58 AM permalink
Quote: mgreiche

It wasn't the worst, but a bone head move on my part. I was playing a double deck hand held game about a year ago. My first two cards were low cards and every time I indicated a hit, I continued to get low cards. Finally after asking for about four hits I miscounted my total and thought I had a 22. I threw my cards down to indicated I busted, but the dealer and everyone at the table said almost at the same time I had a 21.



That reminds me of a dealer error once that caused a $120 swing in my favor.

I was down at Isle of Capri in Lula, MS (YEARS ago) and was playing double deck blackjack (dealt face up from a shoe). The dealer's up card was small (a 5 or 6), and I split my two cards. I doubled on both, getting a 19 and 20. The dealer turned over an Ace, then proceeded to take a small card to reduce to 12, then a few other small cards. The LAST card she took was a 5, which at first, everybody though added up to 21 (myself included.).

Right before she started collecting money, I couldn't help but feel the combination of cards was wrong. Sure enough, the dealer DID have a point count of 17, before she took the last 5. After calling the supervisor over, he confirmed, and my $60 loss turned into a $60 win.
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DJTeddyBear
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April 1st, 2012 at 5:46:02 AM permalink
Quote: JB

What happened next was like a Phil Hellmuth outburst: the young hotshot guy immediately gets up from his seat, pointing out that I took the dealer's bust card, . . . .

I learned a valuable lesson that day: don't play at a blackjack table unless the only other person there is the dealer!

You played it right, but you should have learned to not sit at third base.



Quote: mgreiche

. . . . I miscounted my total and thought I had a 22. I threw my cards down to indicated I busted, but the dealer and everyone at the table said almost at the same time I had a 21.

Did you get paid for your winning hand?
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? Note that the same could be said for Religion. I.E. Religion is nothing more than organized superstition.
ewjones080
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April 1st, 2012 at 6:58:13 AM permalink
Quote: PopCan

It is unethical to give advice that is clearly wrong, but I'm sure the dealer in those situations believes he is correct. An uneducated dealer is one of the worst blackjack players around. They hear every possible superstition and incorrect assumption from their players. Those ideas plant in their heads and they start to notice all the times those assumptions prove true and fail notice when they don't. Your average dealer truly believes insuring a good hand is the right thing to do, that even money is smart, surrender is stupid, and that the guy on third base just took his bust card.

What I find the most unethical is when dealers allow a new/uneducated/drunk player to make an extremely obvious, extremely bad play without a polite confirmation. The Wizard's example of the player hitting a soft 20 is a great example. The dealer should have pointed out the guest had a 20 and then asked if he still wanted to hit. Ditto when players attempt stand on soft 16 and below. On the flip side, nothing is worse than the dealer criticizing a play, even if it's wrong. "You really want to hit that 13 against my 3? You're going to take my bust card and cause the whole table to lose."



Since I've been dealing, I've realized it's pretty easy to believe in bad moves. I went to play once, and I almost doubled my hard 8 vs bust card on a six deck H17 game because I see people do it all the time. I've almost done other bad moves, like not double a hand I should, because I'll start to think.."I've lost so many of my doubles tonight" .. but logic still somehow prevails.

I imagine dealers that give bad advice are older and started out as players themselves. There's seasoned players I've come across that think "the book" is BS and written by casino execs... of course they don't even know what "the book" is (which I presume came from Ed Thorpe's Beat The Dealer in the 60's)..



Of course I've seen EVERY bad move.. I've seen ONCE a guy double down his Blackjack... and win of course.
mgreiche
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April 1st, 2012 at 8:21:19 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You played it right, but you should have learned to not sit at third base.



Did you get paid for your winning hand?




I'm pretty sure the dealer busted...
seviay
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April 1st, 2012 at 11:13:14 AM permalink
Quote: winmonkeyspit3

Was playing at a $25 blackjack table and this dude comes over and announces to the table that he just lost 800 in 5 minutes in roulette. He buys 500 in green, bets 300 on the first hand. Gets a 15 vs. dealer's 8, pulls out another hundred from a wad in his pocket and says double down. Dealer says to him "you must know something that I don't know". Deals him a 10 for 25. Guy curses under his breath and leaves the table. UN-believable what some people will do with their money.


That definitely beats the worst I've seen, but I was at a table where a guy kept doubling down on 12/13 against dealer 10s, but he would stay on things like 15, 16, and soft 17 against a dealer 10. We never could figure out what he was doing, just had to hope he would bust out and leave. Doubling on 15 is amazing, even more so with a big bet out. Love it
NicksGamingStuff
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April 1st, 2012 at 11:38:52 AM permalink
Last night a guy got a Q and a 10, I had a 5 up. I assumed he was going to stay so I flipped over my card and took another 10 and busted. He said hey I was going to split. I said I could call over a floorman and get your split for you. He said never mind, took his win and left. :( I try to not have dissatisfied customers. I told my floorman what happened and he laughed.
jeffwarren75
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April 1st, 2012 at 12:23:43 PM permalink
omg funny this thread is here, last night I was playing spanish 21 had pressed and had a 1000 bet up against dealer 8 got 11 doubled for a 9 for 20

guy playing two spots for 15 each hits his hard 17 pull a 3 and smiles then doubles his hand next to it which has a 2- and a 4 for a total fo six, get a 5 and then surrenders it dealer turns the his hole card which is a 6 and get a seven for 21, next card out of shoe is a ten, long story short i can 86'd for 24 hours for telling the guy he is a total ahole and I hope he losses every cent of his welfare money
WongBo
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April 1st, 2012 at 4:18:15 PM permalink
Quote: NicksGamingStuff

Last night a guy got a Q and a 10, I had a 5 up. I assumed he was going to stay so I flipped over my card and took another 10 and busted. He said hey I was going to split. I said I could call over a floorman and get your split for you. He said never mind, took his win and left. :( I try to not have dissatisfied customers. I told my floorman what happened and he laughed.



what was the count?
i split tens against 5 on a TC of +5
he probably left so your floorman wouldn't tell security to run a skills check
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pacomartin
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April 1st, 2012 at 8:19:13 PM permalink
Quote: JB

What happened next was like a Phil Hellmuth outburst: the young hotshot guy immediately gets up from his seat, pointing out that I took the dealer's bust card, and starts shouting to everyone in the vicinity about how I was such an idiot because I doubled down on 18. He continued to verbally express his disbelief at my "stupidity" to anyone willing to listen for the next several minutes.



Sometimes the world seems besieged by angry know-it-all's who don't know anything. What would he have done if you doubled against a dealer 9 (which would be correct for certain rules)? Would he have punched you?

In my saddest post I have made on this site, I told a story about a know-it-all who got someone killed on a sea test in the early 90's. Wouldn't you know it, the dead man's son, who was a toddler at the time, joined this site and responded about his anger at losing his father as a child, and learning that no one was punished for it as an adult.

Quote: jburks1

Thanks to this dummy who told my dad to remove the saften pin before launching the device took my fathers life. I pray that he will have nightmares till the day he dies for what he has done. He took two innocent men's lives for nothing.

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April 1st, 2012 at 8:39:16 PM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

angry know-it-all's who don't know anything


There have been several occasions where that term could apply to me.

Quote: pacomartin

In my saddest post I have made on this site, I told a story about a know-it-all who got someone killed on a sea test in the early 90's. Wouldn't you know it, the dead man's son, who was a toddler at the time, joined this site and responded about his anger at losing his father as a child, and learning that no one was punished for it as an adult.


That is sad. I didn't see that when it was originally posted.

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