Worst plays you've ever witnessed
Quote: VladsGiantsThis probably doesn't count since it wasn't allowed but here you go. On a recent trip to Vegas I was playing at the Aria at one of the 'good' $50 tables (stay on soft 17, RSA, etc.). A guy joins the table with a couple hundred dollars, I think (not really paying attention). Table was doing well, he seemed to be playing OK (again, not really paying attention). Then he gets a 3 and a 4 against a picture. He hits, gets a 5 for a total of 12. He hits again and gets a 2 for a total of 14. At this point he announces "Double" and puts another $100 alongside his original bet. Everyone at the table just looks at him in disbelief. Trying to double on a 14 against a 10 after 4 cards! Unbelievable!! The dealer quietly tells him that you can only double on the first 2 cards and pushes his $100 back. I've never seen anything as wacky as that before in my life. Not even at a $5 table, let alone betting $100. Needless to say I bailed from that table shortly after that...
If I was running the table, I would've changed the rules just that one time :-)
It was just me and another gentlemen at the table ...we just looked at each other, shrugged... and left her alone.
Needless to say I wasn't too upset when she lost her 2K and went away. She was as unpleasant as she was stupid.
Quote: RSI was dealing blackjack quite a while ago. I accidentally convinced a player to double down his BJ versus 10-up. And just as you'd expect....
He won!
Seen it a few times.
Quote: vendman1Just when you think you've seen everything. I played with a woman at Resorts in AC last weekend and she repeatedly doubled hard 7. Not just against a dealer break card either. Sometimes against a 10 or an A. I mean it's a crap play either way; but against paint...uggh!! Then to make to matters worse; a couple of times when she had an ace up we gave her the customary good luck pat on the table, and she told us...."I got this.. worry about your own side of the table".
It was just me and another gentlemen at the table ...we just looked at each other, shrugged... and left her alone.
Needless to say I wasn't too upset when she lost her 2K and went away. She was as unpleasant as she was stupid.
That's because 7's are lucky!
Quote: AvincowThis is why I don't understand why all casinos don't offer surrender. When i surrender for the first time, everyone goes, 'durrrr, what is that'. so I tell them. Next thing you know, you got one or two guys who start surrendering 12s and 13s vs. 10. Come on casinos, get with it. You and I could be making money together!
Yes, but if you surrender (2 cards) versus hit (3+ cards), you'll "ruin the order of the cards". Also, surrendering vs. standing "ruins the order of the cards" on the next shoe. Casinos have managed to successfully brainwash this myth into players' heads.
While I would love it if more casinos offered surrender, the option probably slows down the game when dealers have to calculate and make change for $5 and $25 chips. Also, offering surrender on regular Blackjack makes Spanish 21 seem less appealing.
Quote: nvr55xxprobably slows down the game when dealers have to calculate and make change for $5 and $25 chips.
How do they ever pay blackjacks? $6 and $30?
Big player who doesn't know what he's doing at first base, Asian guy who's sick of his crap on third. No one else.
I'm showing a bust card (4 or 5, I think) and the big player waves it off. The Asian guy then switches into a 9 and a stiff hand.
BP tells Asian guy, "I'll give you $10 to stand." As in, wave off a 9.
The guy takes it.
I make a hand and sweep the table.
Quote: hwccdealerTwo weeks ago on Blackjack Switch:
Big player who doesn't know what he's doing at first base, Asian guy who's sick of his crap on third. No one else.
I'm showing a bust card (4 or 5, I think) and the big player waves it off. The Asian guy then switches into a 9 and a stiff hand.
BP tells Asian guy, "I'll give you $10 to stand." As in, wave off a 9.
The guy takes it.
I make a hand and sweep the table.
Just Wow!! Obviously it depends on how much the Asian guy is playing. If he had a $10 bet up then sure he made the right call. If he was betting a lot...even say $25 or $30 it's marginal at best. I might have told the big player to piss off regardless(this depends on alcohol intake to be honest). You don't get to play my hand badly just because you are betting big. Sober me cares about the EV....drunker me...maybe not so much.
Quote: vendman1Just Wow!! Obviously it depends on how much the Asian guy is playing. If he had a $10 bet up then sure he made the right call. If he was betting a lot...even say $25 or $30 it's marginal at best. I might have told the big player to piss off regardless(this depends on alcohol intake to be honest). You don't get to play my hand badly just because you are betting big. Sober me cares about the EV....drunker me...maybe not so much.
Telling me how to play will get you nowhere. Offering me money to make your play will get me listening, but like others have said, the price has to be right. And by right, I'm thinking along the lines of 100% of my bet.
Rookie player who knows how to play standard blackjack (I think) but not Switch decides to play two hands (so four.)
His first of four hands, he gets a soft total and draws it out to a soft 17. He seems to know enough to hit it. If I remember correctly, he drew to a hard 14.
Hits. Gets a deuce. Hits again. Gets a deuce again. So far, so good. I tell him, "You have a hard 18."
He thinks it over.
And the dip wad hits.
I repeat, "You have hard 18."
Another moment.
More thinking.
Yep, he hits again.
Needless to say, there wasn't another deuce around the corner - he busted.
He seemed to learn from his mistakes on the next three hands, waving off hard 17 twice.
Quote: hwccdealerLast night on Blackjack Switch - which is seeming to be a magnet for dip wads despite being Master's-degree-level blackjack:
Rookie player who knows how to play standard blackjack (I think) but not Switch decides to play two hands (so four.)
His first of four hands, he gets a soft total and draws it out to a soft 17. He seems to know enough to hit it. If I remember correctly, he drew to a hard 14.
Hits. Gets a deuce. Hits again. Gets a deuce again. So far, so good. I tell him, "You have a hard 18."
He thinks it over.
And the dip wad hits.
I repeat, "You have hard 18."
Another moment.
More thinking.
Yep, he hits again.
Needless to say, there wasn't another deuce around the corner - he busted.
He seemed to learn from his mistakes on the next three hands, waving off hard 17 twice.
Surprised he didn't try to say "No no! I was hitting the second hand!"
Quote: DeucekiesSurprised he didn't try to say "No no! I was hitting the second hand!"
The second hand was a hard 17 - which he grew enough functioning brain cells to wave off - and that would have busted too, so either way, he was a dope.
Quote: hwccdealerLast night on Blackjack Switch - which is seeming to be a magnet for dip wads despite being Master's-degree-level blackjack:
Rookie player who knows how to play standard blackjack (I think) but not Switch decides to play two hands (so four.)
His first of four hands, he gets a soft total and draws it out to a soft 17. He seems to know enough to hit it. If I remember correctly, he drew to a hard 14.
Hits. Gets a deuce. Hits again. Gets a deuce again. So far, so good. I tell him, "You have a hard 18."
He thinks it over.
And the dip wad hits.
I repeat, "You have hard 18."
Another moment.
More thinking.
Yep, he hits again.
Needless to say, there wasn't another deuce around the corner - he busted.
He seemed to learn from his mistakes on the next three hands, waving off hard 17 twice.
I agree the game does seem to attract dip wads like moths to a flame. I tried to play it a few times when it was first installed at Bally's AC. But the table was always so hostile from people misplaying...or not... their hands that it was just easier to move back to regular BJ. Frankly there was so much muttering and yelling at the table it was distracting. I normally don't give a rat's butt what other people think, ignoring them is kind of fun actually. But it was just too much at the switch table.
Playing at Sands, PA. $25 table and guy at 3rd base is playing 3 hands betting $100, $200 and $300 respectively.
Dealer shows Ace, and his hands are (from right to left) 6:6 , 4:4, and 9:9
He buys Insurance on all 3 bets, no Blackjack.
I have 19 and stand, he splits his 6's (with $100 bet)! Gets a 4 doubles and gets a 9, other hand gets an Ace, hits and pulls a 2.
Next hand, splits the 4's!!! Gets a 7, doubles and pulls an 8. Other 4, gets a 3 he hits for 17.
Third hand, Splits 9's! Gets two 8's for 17 on both.
Dealer turns up another ace, draws a 10, then ace, then 2, then 7 for a bust!!!
Just shook my head while this guy raked in all those black chips!
Quote: BedWetterBetterA fun hand to say the least.
Playing at Sands, PA. $25 table and guy at 3rd base is playing 3 hands betting $100, $200 and $300 respectively.
Dealer shows Ace, and his hands are (from right to left) 6:6 , 4:4, and 9:9
He buys Insurance on all 3 bets, no Blackjack.
I have 19 and stand, he splits his 6's (with $100 bet)! Gets a 4 doubles and gets a 9, other hand gets an Ace, hits and pulls a 2.
Next hand, splits the 4's!!! Gets a 7, doubles and pulls an 8. Other 4, gets a 3 he hits for 17.
Third hand, Splits 9's! Gets two 8's for 17 on both.
Dealer turns up another ace, draws a 10, then ace, then 2, then 7 for a bust!!!
Just shook my head while this guy raked in all those black chips!
Tis a funny and unpredictable game on any given hand.....
But long term, unless there was more than meets the eye in this tale,
This player will lose his arse... If he keeps playing this way.
Quote: djatcThis is a level eleventy count he had a huge edge
Level eleventy, I need me one of them ;-)
Quote: djatcThis is a level eleventy count he had a huge edge
Even with a count of +eleventy, Ace would still lose 30 in a row.
Quote: SandybestdogAfter reading these stories, I'm sure mine won't surprise anybody. I was playing the other day and a guy doubled a hard 16 against an 8, and got a 3! He looked like a genius for 30 seconds until the dealer drew to a 20.
These situations always make me wonder if they saw the next card, or if they REALLY just want to throw money away =p.
A few nights ago some very drunk girls came up to my table and started playing. This girl clearly just wanted to go off what she 'felt'... so when she had a hard 14 vs dealer 10, she felt the need to double... and wouldn't you know it, 7. She was in middle position and definitely hammered, so there's zero chance she knew the next card (as I was watching all the same =p). A few hands later she has a hard 12 against the dealers 10, doubles again, and of course peels the 9 off. In BOTH cases the dealer had 20...
Wanna talk about the worst plays you've ever seen? One of her friends was cute and pretty hot, and was also falling over drunk petting me and asking me to go do things to her... and yes I'm single, but the fact that I was sober, about to leave, and had to drive 20 minutes to the hotel my BUDDY and I were staying at (which he was already at sleeping) just all made me go "eh..." It was much like a 16 v 10 in a solid negative count... You gotta hit that. Misplays always costing me EV =P.
I once saw a holecard and surrendered a 17. I thought that might be a little suspicious but I'm sure they've seen worse. If you aren't betting black chips, I'm sure they won't care what you do.
Quote: SandybestdogIt certainly could have been possible that he saw the next card but I don't think so. These players play so badly. The dealer did yell out "doubling hard 16." I'm sure nothing surprises the dealers. A dealer told me yesterday that somebody once doubled a hard 20. I asked if he got an ace. The dealer says of course not, he got a 30. I asked if he was sure he didn't mean to split and he said no he asked him 4 times.
I once saw a holecard and surrendered a 17. I thought that might be a little suspicious but I'm sure they've seen worse. If you aren't betting black chips, I'm sure they won't care what you do.
That's exactly what I think...at anything less than a black chip level most casinos just don't care that much. Even counters aren't hurting them much if at all at a green or red chip level. As for bad plays, I think most dealers might actually enjoy "stupid" play probably livens up an otherwise boring shift for them. Also drunk people sometimes tip excessively.
It was only the two of us playing vs the dealer. The guy had $25 bet and was dealt a total of 20 vs her 4. The dealer busted her hand so my hand was a winner but he lost $100. Yep he split the 20 to 4 hands and busted them all vs her 4 upcard. I'm still shaking my head over this one.
Of course he had a winning session while I got my clock cleaned.
Quote: RomesWanna talk about the worst plays you've ever seen? One of her friends was cute and pretty hot, and was also falling over drunk petting me and asking me to go do things to her... and yes I'm single, but the fact that I was sober, about to leave, and had to drive 20 minutes to the hotel my BUDDY and I were staying at (which he was already at sleeping) just all made me go "eh..." It was much like a 16 v 10 in a solid negative count... You gotta hit that. Misplays always costing me EV =P.
Umm, given that she was falling over drunk, you did the right thing and walked away from that one. That one's like the hard 17 - you want to hit that but you know it's a really bad idea.
Quote: hailtotheskinsLast week newbie came to the table. Knew nothing about playing, where to place his bet ect. He had 12 against dealer 5, the whole table told him not to hit and explained why but he still thought we were crazy. "No, I got 12" he would say. so he took a hit. needless to say he drew a ten and bust, but that ren would have given the dealer 20 and caused table loss. kid saved the table. a high roller had offered him 50 dollars not to hit but he hit anyway and they guy ended up giving him the two greens for saving us. I poop you not, the exact same situation happened again about 20 minutes later, the kid was again untrusting of our advice and hit the 12, and low and behold he saved us again. I couldn't help but lose it laughing, one of the most fun tables ive ever played on. The kid refused to double down, split, or make the hand signals after being repeatedly reprimanded. good times
And this is exactly why people making bad plays doesn't affect your hand in the long run. People are quick to point out when someone does something like that and the table loses because of it... but it works the other way too.
Quote: hwccdealerUmm, given that she was falling over drunk, you did the right thing and walked away from that one. That one's like the hard 17 - you want to hit that but you know it's a really bad idea.
Ha!
I know a dealer who refers to the hard 17 as the "mother-in-law hand" because you want to hit it, but really shouldn't.
Quote: hailtotheskinsLast week newbie came to the table. Knew nothing about playing, where to place his bet ect. He had 12 against dealer 5, the whole table told him not to hit and explained why but he still thought we were crazy. "No, I got 12" he would say. so he took a hit. needless to say he drew a ten and bust, but that ren would have given the dealer 20 and caused table loss. kid saved the table. a high roller had offered him 50 dollars not to hit but he hit anyway and they guy ended up giving him the two greens for saving us. I poop you not, the exact same situation happened again about 20 minutes later, the kid was again untrusting of our advice and hit the 12, and low and behold he saved us again. I couldn't help but lose it laughing, one of the most fun tables ive ever played on. The kid refused to double down, split, or make the hand signals after being repeatedly reprimanded. good times
This happened to me the past weekend in AC. Older guy, maybe 75, but seemed like he had his wits about him. Acted like he'd never been in a casino before, but had a high level players card. He kept touching the chips in play, touching his hand (shoe game), raking his bet before he was paid. Wouldn't double ever, only reluctantly split, and then only when prompted by the dealer and player(s), was completely mystified by the whole hand signal thing. To top it off he was rude and mean to everybody, including the very pretty, young dealer who was being super patient and really trying to help him. He seemed to think all the other players and the dealer were conspiring against him. Of course he ending up winning a couple of hundred and leaving up. But not before he made everybody miserable. I don't understand people who gamble with no freakin idea what they are doing. They give out basic strategy cards if you ask for one. The other players and dealers will mostly help you(sometimes incorrectly, but most people by and large are trying their best). But to just sit there be rude, and ignore everyone's help, and not have the slightest idea of the strategy or even the rules of the game. SMH.
Quote: rsactuaryAnd this is exactly why people making bad plays doesn't affect your hand in the long run. People are quick to point out when someone does something like that and the table loses because of it... but it works the other way too.
It sure does suck when it hurts you though. We all groaned at the kid but were cheering a second later. But man it hurts when they kill you with dumb plays.
Guy has 55 against a 4. Decides to split.
Gets an ace on first hand. Decides to stand on a soft 16.
Gets a nine on other hand. Decides to hit on hard 14.
The whole hand took about 5 seconds from the time the action reached him as the dealer didn't even pause to confirm the guy's action.
I'm pretty sure I made an audible gasp while this was happening.
This woman that was playing $15 a hand and not very well starts exclaiming- What kind of fool splits 5s and moves to another table.
With that being said, about two weeks ago, i had 2 max bets out, 2 hands of 200 after having to lower my max bet due to the losing. I got two stiff hands. Dealer showing a 6. Girl to my left has a 13. She hits her 13 and busts with a 10. Dealer flips an 8 as hole card and then flips a 7 for 21. Had she not hit her 13v6 dealer wouldve busted for an $800 swing. Keep in mind i was on the come up at that time as well and thought losing streak was about to end. Even though i know in the long run peoples mistakes have no bearing on you winning or losing, imagine how i felt lol.
Quote: ZenKinG...No one knows the next card out of the shoe...
...You also dont know what card the dealer has as the upcard.
The first one isn't always true. There have been plenty of times that I've know what the next card to be dealt was.
And the other, I think you meant downcard. And that isn't always true either.
Young man walks up and starts playing. Loses a few hands and gets down to $160. He bets $40, checks his cards and sees a J764-2 high card hand. Bets 3X ! Loses to a Dealer straight.
I felt sorry for the kid and resentful towards the casino industry. Casinos give people the complete freedom to bet however they want as long as the bettors don't know what they are doing. But if you are observant and skillful they claim you don't have that freedom.
Quote: gordonm888Okay here's one I saw last year at a Four Card Poker Table.
Young man walks up and starts playing. Loses a few hands and gets down to $160. He bets $40, checks his cards and sees a J764-2 high card hand. Bets 3X ! Loses to a Dealer straight.
I felt sorry for the kid and resentful towards the casino industry. Casinos give people the complete freedom to bet however they want as long as the bettors don't know what they are doing. But if you are observant and skillful they claim you don't have that freedom.
Learn how to shear sheep instead of skinning them!
I don't like or mess with cats but I understand that you have many ways to skin them.
Let's say a player puts out a big dealer bet, but mid-hand the dealer says something really really really off putting. Now the player wants to spitefully hit their three card 21. Will the floor allow it? Or is there some rule disallowing the player to take another card? Similar question on surrendering a Blackjack.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe first one isn't always true. There have been plenty of times that I've know what the next card to be dealt was.
And the other, I think you meant downcard. And that isn't always true either.
Yes i meant downcard. Typo.
Regarding the next card, i dont know why you and others always try to think of the obvious exception and try to argue with me. Obviously if you have next card information, you either simply managed to see the next card, or youre sequencing or some other type of AP such as getting a peak at the last card before the cut and then cutting it into play. Im not talking about any of that. Im simply talking about strictly playing basic strategy or counting, but go ahead and keep trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
