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February 3rd, 2012 at 8:35:12 AM permalink
Torghatten
Member since: Feb 3, 2012
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I was playing European BJ on Tenerife.
Dealer had a 6 and I had 22 (sat on 2nd last spot)
A player early on table 12 and said "stand," but dealer gave her a card (Q). The dealer agreed that he did a mistake, and she kept her 12.

Rest of players before me did stand, and it was my turn.
The Q was not burned and i choosed to stand at 4 as dealer would get 16. (last player had 19)

Shouldnt the card be burned in this case? The game was "destroyed" for me, even i had an advantage as dealer was likely to bust. (nex card was a 3 btw, so most of table lost)
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:45:23 AM permalink
1BB
Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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The queen was the next card to be played and you had the advantage of knowing that. Most casinos will not burn the card. Could you have split the 2s?
I am benbakdoff -Member since: July 13,2010.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:27:34 AM permalink
Torghatten
Member since: Feb 3, 2012
Threads: 1
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I could do what i want. But standing have to be best (dealer have a 8/13 chance to bust)
(Expected return of 1.23 units.)
Value of the first hand after splitting would be -0.15, and i dont think the value of the other hand would compensate that difference.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:17:24 PM permalink
charliepatrick
Member since: Jun 17, 2011
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In the UK it's written the card is the next one out. You can take advantage of it and standing on 2-2 is totally reasonable thing to do. I have on occasions done it, but sometimes when it isn't obvious which is better, just do what I would have done in the first place. I did once hear that the dealer had a 7-up (no 2nd card UK) and no-one wanted to take the ten - if I was ever in that situation (12-16) on end box I would offer to sell my box or just stand (muttering rude words that they didn't give me a chance to win)!
February 4th, 2012 at 11:06:29 PM permalink
bbvk05
Member since: Jan 12, 2011
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A lot of places will burn it and ask each individual player if they want out of the hand ( letting you take your bet back). Other places will play it. Steering a 10 to the dealer dshowing a 6 is a strong EV positive play.
February 5th, 2012 at 5:42:04 AM permalink
1BB
Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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Dealer mistakes will always be part of the game and I have found that the majority of them are remedied to the players' satisfaction.

This particular situation does not call for a player opt out or for the burning of a card. The players had the advantage of knowing the next card, allowing them to adjust their play accordingly. I've doubled a hard 16 and surrendered a 12 after gaining that information. The sequence of the cards wasn't changed so why should anything additional be done?

Let's say the dealer forgot to give you a second card and the next player got it. The sequence has now been changed and they will not back up that card. Players will be allowed to opt out of the hand which is fair. The only time a card is burned after a dealer's mistake is at the end of a hand. If he mistakenly hits a hard 17, the card he pulled will be burned rather than go to first base.

Torghatten, I momentarily forgot that you were playing ENHC. Regardless of the outcome, you made a great heads up play!
I am benbakdoff -Member since: July 13,2010.
February 5th, 2012 at 6:29:13 AM permalink
SOOPOO
Member since: Aug 8, 2010
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OK guys .... how would the casino handle this... maybe Dan or the Wiz knows... Player 1 is betting $1000 ..... has 17.... Player 2 is betting $25 and has 20, and dealer accidentally hits him with a 5..... Player 3 also betting $25 has 16 and dealer is showing a 9. It is obviously in player 3's advantage to take the 5 for 21. Player 1 throws $50 across the table and tells player 3 to stand. You as the dealer or pit boss do what?
February 5th, 2012 at 6:40:34 AM permalink
EdgeLooker
Member since: Jan 4, 2012
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OT, but I recently had a dealer flip both her cards over accidentally, showing everyone that she had two face cards. Play was then continued, and it was really funny seeing/hearing peoples reactions (who just came over) when everyone was hitting their hard 18s and 19s. :)
February 5th, 2012 at 6:54:57 AM permalink
1BB
Member since: Oct 10, 2011
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Quote: SOOPOO
OK guys .... how would the casino handle this... maybe Dan or the Wiz knows... Player 1 is betting $1000 ..... has 17.... Player 2 is betting $25 and has 20, and dealer accidentally hits him with a 5..... Player 3 also betting $25 has 16 and dealer is showing a 9. It is obviously in player 3's advantage to take the 5 for 21. Player 1 throws $50 across the table and tells player 3 to stand. You as the dealer or pit boss do what?


Other than verifying that the 5 is the next card to be played they stay out of it. If I were player 3 I would decline player one's offer and double down.
I am benbakdoff -Member since: July 13,2010.
February 5th, 2012 at 8:52:04 AM permalink
boymimbo
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