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Saw a backoff at Mirage.

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January 19th, 2012 at 7:27:21 AM permalink
darrenfromindy
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Thanks for sharing! What I find interesting is that in the few times I've seen someone "backed off" at Mirage or MGM, they weren't asked to leave the table. They were simply told to pick a table with a minimum they were comfortable with and stick to that level (flat-bets). The floor was very nice about it. I wonder if they had been warned previously?
January 19th, 2012 at 8:08:27 AM permalink
teddys
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Quote: darrenfromindy
Thanks for sharing! What I find interesting is that in the few times I've seen someone "backed off" at Mirage or MGM, they weren't asked to leave the table. They were simply told to pick a table with a minimum they were comfortable with and stick to that level (flat-bets). The floor was very nice about it. I wonder if they had been warned previously?
That's pretty much the same as being backed offed, and perhaps even more insulting to the counter's pride. As if the counter would EVER be seen flat betting at the $10 table with the rest of the ploppies :)
"If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss..." -Rudyard Kipling
January 19th, 2012 at 1:12:36 PM permalink
SanchoPanza
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Quote: teddys
That's pretty much the same as being backed offed

Apparently, he can still not bet when the count is minus.
January 19th, 2012 at 2:15:58 PM permalink
FleaStiff
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Yeah, but the purpose is to knock him back a bit... they don't much care if he leaves or stays, sulks or not... they just want to knock him out of the raised bets on good counts routine. They've made a note of him ... next time he might get a "anything but blackjack". After that, he will probably get a firmer invitation to leave as soon as he shows up. Casinos are wary of counters but they don't want scenes or insults, they just want to put a damper on the activities of the greedy.

I recall the scene in The Cooler wherein the Casino Manager is auditioning a croupier on both roulette and blackjack. After a few hands of blackjack the CM asks "whats the count" and receives a response of Minus Nine, the CM suggests that it is instead Minus 8 but the job candidate insists on Minus Nine saying always stick with your first figure, chances are you are right. The CM backs down from any attempt to verify the count leading the narrator to comment that the CM can't count. It was all entertaining but it never really rang true. Why on earth would a dealer have to track the count. A floorman or a surveillance guy might want it determined to verify a pattern of bet spread changes but a dealer is just expected to Dummy Up and Deal and call out exceptional circumstances that his floor man will deal with, not he.
January 19th, 2012 at 7:53:34 PM permalink
DJTeddyBear
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Flea -

While I agree with your assessment, think about it again. This casino is so bent on taking the gamblers for a ride, that they will actually put so much faith in a "Cooler" that they hire the guy. A casino with that sort of attitude probably would look for BJ dealers that can count.

And remember the other thing: That particular casino wasn't in Vegas, it was in Hollywood - if you know what I mean.
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January 19th, 2012 at 9:16:01 PM permalink
Ibeatyouraces
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Quote: FleaStiff
Why on earth would a dealer have to track the count.
Nothing to do with the movie, but I've heard of teams that have dealers on them that count and act as the "spotters" while dealing instead of actual players playing.
"Shut up Meg." Peter Griffin, Family Guy
January 19th, 2012 at 10:17:54 PM permalink
FleaStiff
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Quote: FleaStiff
Yeah, but the purpose is to knock him back a bit... they don't much care if he leaves or stays, sulks or not... they just want to knock him out of the raised bets on good counts routine. They've made a note of him ... next time he might get a "anything but blackjack". After that, he will probably get a firmer invitation to leave as soon as he shows up. Casinos are wary of counters but they don't want scenes or insults, they just want to put a damper on the activities of the greedy.

I recall the scene in The Cooler [Ooops... on edit, let me say it was The Croupier] wherein the Casino Manager is auditioning a croupier on both roulette and blackjack. After a few hands of blackjack the CM asks "whats the count" and receives a response of Minus Nine, the CM suggests that it is instead Minus 8 but the job candidate insists on Minus Nine saying always stick with your first figure, chances are you are right. The CM backs down from any attempt to verify the count leading the narrator to comment that the CM can't count. It was all entertaining but it never really rang true. Why on earth would a dealer have to track the count. A floorman or a surveillance guy might want it determined to verify a pattern of bet spread changes but a dealer is just expected to Dummy Up and Deal and call out exceptional circumstances that his floor man will deal with, not he.
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