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What is the Actual House Edge on Blackjack?

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January 29th, 2010 at 11:45:17 AM permalink
graylove
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Hi Wizard, What do think a Players edge could be if they were a Good card counter with a perfect Strategy? I know it would depend on the houses rules. But just a rough average with basic BJ rules. Thanks
January 29th, 2010 at 12:49:27 PM permalink
BenJammin
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I think Hunches cost more than mistakes, at least in my case they do.

I know basic strategy like the back of my hand, but I still deviate once in a blue moon if I get that "Feeling".

One time a dealer pissed me off at Binion's Horse Shoe, (not by doing anything other than beat my pants off) so I went on a quest to kick her butt and left the table $300 up. I broke all the rules.

But of course, that was the exception to the rule, but it sure was fun.
If a little is good, more's got to be better!
February 5th, 2010 at 4:18:32 PM permalink
jeremykay
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What about the flip side... by how much do you think the house advantage goes down due to dealer errors?
February 5th, 2010 at 4:30:50 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: jeremykay
What about the flip side... by how much do you think the house advantage goes down due to dealer errors?


I tend to think it goes up because of dealer errors. In my opinion, about 80% of errors are in the dealer's favor. Of course, those are more likely to get challenged. Let's say players catch 60% of errors either way, but say nothing when it goes in their favor. So given there is an error, the probabilities are:

20% = Player's favor, player keeps his mouth shut.
48% = Dealer's favor, player opens his mouth.
32% = Dealer's favor, player didn't catch it.

Of course these are rough estimates.
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February 5th, 2010 at 5:51:52 PM permalink
dutch
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Is that your hunch that 80% are in the houses favor or have you heard or read that figure? Just curious. I was at a roulette table one time and a new dealer was giving out 6 stacks of 20 chips when someone bought in with a $100. I bet he gave out $160 in free chips before the pit boss caught him.
February 5th, 2010 at 7:05:41 PM permalink
Wizard
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Yes, that is my position, based on 23 years of playing. I think that is because:

1. Dealers also know the players are likely to speak up if a mistake goes against the player, giving them a safety net in that direction.

2. If the mistake goes against the house, the players won't give the dealer a chance to correct it. If surveillance catches the mistake, the dealer will have to answer for it later.

I'm sure the dealers want to deal a perfect game, but the consequences of mistakes against the house are greater, so they likely err on the side of the house more.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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