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Popularity of blackjack in Vegas
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| January 16th, 2010 at 7:59:26 AM permalink | |
| DorothyGale Member since: Nov 23, 2009 Threads: 40 Posts: 615 |
The march towards carnival games has been relentless. Your data supports a huge move in the last three years towards carnival games by both casino management and casino patrons. This is supported by other data I have seen as well as anecdotal experiences. One thing to keep in mind is that carnival games have enticed some slot players to move up to table games. In this sense, they are helping to keep gaming pits at their current level. Without carnival games, and the slot players who play them, as well as 6/5 blackjack, the table games area would be on the road towards extinction at many casinos. Yesterday, I overheard a patron at a casino say "I don't like this slot, it doesn't have any sounds." That's typical of the level of thought that goes into patron's choice of games these days. I could say a lot more here, but the disgressions to make various points seem endless. --Dorothy Resident OZ-like entity ... |
| January 18th, 2010 at 3:37:22 PM permalink | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 14, 2009 Threads: 313 Posts: 6786 | I looked at old quarterly statistical reports to come up with the following percentage of 21 tables to total non-slot games. 2009 is based on the third quarter, and all other years, the fourth quarter. You can see that 21 games dropped from 69% in 1990 to 52% in 2009.
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| January 18th, 2010 at 4:19:27 PM permalink | ||||||||||
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 547 Posts: 6220 | Wizard Thanks for addressing the issue. I would add something about the drop in 21 revenue and the increase in Baccarat revenue. Follows is for strip revenue only, and the percent refers to percent of the pit (i.e. no card games or slots).
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| January 21st, 2010 at 6:38:46 AM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5735 | This thread got too complicated for my tiny brain, so I stayed out of it after my initial response. But since the Wiz addressed this thread in his Ask The Wiz #245, I thought I'd comment on his conclusion.
I think #3 is only partly right. I think paying 6:5 has far more impact than hitting on soft 17. Quite frankly, I wonder how many recreational BJ players even know the difference between H17 and S17 rules? Probably less than the number who know the difference between single and double zero roulette! Even I didn't know there were different dealer rules until I started to read about it on the Wiz's main site. Seriously, I thought that the rule was printed on the table simply as a point of information, much the same way as the insurance area specifies 'Pays 2 to 1'. Yeah, the tables also say BJ pays ___, but even that often goes unnoticed until the player at a 6:5 table thinks he got short-paid. Then it makes a BIG, IMMEDIATE impact! Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
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| January 21st, 2010 at 8:37:43 AM permalink | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 547 Posts: 6220 |
Well of course most players don't know rules like H17 or S17 or Double After Split is permitted or not. Most people think a hard 17 is a good hand solely because they don't have to make a decision. But people do learn simple rules. Most recreational blackjack players will confidently say that insurance is for suckers (while almost always taking even money).A lot of people know always splits aces and eights since the alliterative phrase is easy to remember. Even people that have no interest in the basic strategy can learn 6:5 blackjack is for suckers. But blackjack has clearly plunged more than any other major table game, far more than slots (as a percentage) or craps or roulette. I was struggling to explain the dramatic difference. I think that avoidance of bad rules has to be part of the explanation. The drop in TWENTY-ONE (or BLACKJACK) revenue has been half the dollar amountof the drop in the total pit. BACCARAT has recovered almost to pre-depression levels. The total pit dropped 21% so you can see how each game fared against the average. Data is for the Las Vegas Strip only. Blackjack has returned to 1997 levels in the state of Nevada. But it peaked in October 2007. During the recession Baccarat has replaced Blackjack as the most popular table game.
Slots took a similar 21% drop in revenue over the same period. As most people know penny slots are increasing in revenue even in the depression , but all other slots are falling. Wine loved I deeply, dice dearly -Edgar, betrayed son of Gloucester in King Lear | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| January 21st, 2010 at 9:04:36 AM permalink | |
| DJTeddyBear Member since: Nov 2, 2009 Threads: 105 Posts: 5735 | Double After Split is the type of thing that people will ask about, and may not even realize that there could be some tables in the casino with different rules about that. Frankly, pick any of the stupid rules changes, and you can be sure it's part of the reason for the decline of BlackJack. My point was, that of all the stupid rules changes, H17 / S17 is one that the recreational player is least familiar with, while 6:5 has the biggest, obvious impact. Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown.
But how much does it cost to knock on wood? |
| January 21st, 2010 at 9:27:51 AM permalink | |
| teddys Member since: Nov 14, 2009 Threads: 100 Posts: 2729 | 6:5 BJ should not even be considered BJ. It is just another variant of "21" games. New Jersey classifies the game differently as distinct from BJ. Another reason they are the better gaming jurisdiction. "If you can make one heap of all your winnings / And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss / And lose, and start again at your beginnings / And never breathe a word about your loss..." -Rudyard Kipling |
| January 29th, 2010 at 6:04:40 AM permalink | |
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 547 Posts: 6220 |
Basically that is the $0.5 billion question. How much of that it drop in Nevada is because of stupid rule changes, because of competition with other states, the depression, or the aging of blackjack? Wine loved I deeply, dice dearly -Edgar, betrayed son of Gloucester in King Lear |
| February 4th, 2011 at 11:00:14 AM permalink | |
| henrykipson Member since: Jan 29, 2011 Threads: 0 Posts: 2 | "Blackjack", or, "21", is game that while currently overshadowed by the popularity of Poker, continues to be one of the most played games in Las Vegas, and it is quickly becoming a mainstay of many other casinos http://www.eldoradopalace.com/ |
| February 4th, 2011 at 5:53:00 PM permalink | |
| pacomartin Member since: Jan 14, 2010 Threads: 547 Posts: 6220 |
I was not disputing that Blackjack is popular. It is still very firmly in the #2 place on the strip for all table games (behind baccarat). However, it used to be #1 as recent as August 2009, and it has fallen further than almost every other table game. Poker (i.e. tournaments and regular games with a rake) earn less for casinos than the table game "3-card poker", and is distant to baccarat, blackjack, craps, and roulette. I agree that it is a popular game, it just doesn't make that much money for casinos. Wine loved I deeply, dice dearly -Edgar, betrayed son of Gloucester in King Lear |
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